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I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.

I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.

Update: 2025-08-19
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This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), principal of Duha. Joining us is Gary Chan, CISO, SSM Health. Be sure to check out Gary's security mentalism website: https://www.gschan2000.com.

In this episode:

  • Decision-making with incomplete information
  • Translation beats technical expertise
  • Influence trumps authority for CISOs
  • Technical prowess creates adversaries

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I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.

I Just Can't Communicate With the Business. I've Tried Condescension AND Derision.