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Jordan chops it up with international referee, Ben O'Keeffe. The match official reveals that it wasn't until he went to university to study medicine that he started refereeing (12:07 ).

He credits his experiences as a health professional for putting the pressures that come with rugby into perspective (26:15 ) before opening up on matters like dealing with the emotions of players on the field and putting up with heinous messaging on social media (36:45 ).

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