In this episode, Jeanne shares how she began identifying and trusting her authentic self—and how that process involved a dark reckoning.* She and Flame also discuss the value of courage, clarity, community and play, as well as the role that systems have in people’s capacity to be their authentic selves.

 * This included an incident of near-suicidal thoughts. If you’re experiencing suicidal thoughts, please call 800.273.8255 or chat with a counselor online.