In this episode from AWS re:Invent 2024, Jon Myer sits down with Mattias, Chief Product Officer at Emma, to discuss the reality of multi-cloud management and cloud agnostic approaches. Mattias shares insights on managing cloud complexity, the role of Kubernetes in cloud agnosticism, and practical strategies for organizations navigating multiple cloud providers. Learn why not everything needs to be cloud agnostic and how Emma helps simplify multi-cloud management.

Key Takeaways:
🌐 Multi-cloud is real and growing in enterprise
🎯 Focus on cloud agnostic where it makes sense
🔄 Kubernetes as key enabler for cloud flexibility
💡 Culture change needed more than tech solutions
⚙️ Start with open source standards
🏗️ Consider exit strategy when choosing tech
📊 Visibility and cost management are crucial
🚀 Practice cloud migration regularly

Timeline:
0:00 - Introduction and role at Emma
0:32 - Explaining Emma's multi-cloud platform
1:04 - State of multi-cloud adoption
2:16 - Multi-cloud challenges
3:42 - Common multi-cloud scenarios
4:09 - Managing complexity
5:33 - Cloud agnostic approach
6:39 - Limitations of cloud agnosticism
8:43 - Practical approach to cloud strategy
9:28 - Cultural change in organizations
11:50 - Application refactoring considerations
13:15 - Getting started with cloud agnostic
15:19 - Choosing the right tools
16:28 - Kubernetes and cloud agnosticism
18:02 - Emma's approach to abstraction
20:04 - Closing thoughts and contact information
20:53 - Wrap-up

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