“The future belongs to all of us,” says Maarten Okkersen at the Museon Omniversum in the Hague.

We talk about how museums can help make sense of the changing world and encourage agency and empathy. We also discuss what interactivity really means, and why sometimes it’s useful to lose the technology.

In the meantime, we visit the museum’s One Planet exhibition, where we find out what our phones are made of and try to save the coral reef.