Michael Nielsen on Collaboration, Quantum Computing, and Civilization's Fragility
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This episode of Conversations with Tyler features a fascinating discussion with Michael Nielsen, a polymath with expertise in physics, quantum computing, open science, and more. They delve into the nature of beauty in the universe, exploring why we find certain aspects of it visually appealing but not aurally. Nielsen shares his insights on the role of novelty and structure in our perception of beauty, and how it might relate to our evolutionary history. The conversation then shifts to the influence of age on one's professional circles, with Nielsen reflecting on his experiences as both the youngest and oldest person in his respective groups. He also discusses his theory of collaborators, emphasizing the importance of openness, curiosity, and ambition. The episode delves into the current state of quantum computing, with Nielsen offering a cautiously optimistic outlook on its future potential. He explores the potential applications of quantum computing, including the discovery of new materials and the possibility of quantum money. The conversation then touches on the role of linear algebra in various fields, including quantum computing and AI, and its implications for our understanding of the universe. Nielsen also shares his thoughts on the progress of science, the importance of openness, and the challenges of navigating the complexities of scientific institutions. The episode concludes with a discussion on the vulnerable world hypothesis, the potential for near-universal surveillance, and the importance of maintaining a balance between transparency and opacity. Nielsen also reflects on his own journey of learning and the importance of seeking out new experiences and perspectives.
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Conversations with Michael Nielsen
This Chapter introduces Michael Nielsen, a polymath with expertise in physics, quantum computing, open science, and more. The conversation begins with a discussion on the nature of beauty in the universe, exploring why we find certain aspects of it visually appealing but not aurally.
Age, Collaborators, and Openness
This Chapter delves into the influence of age on one's professional circles, with Nielsen reflecting on his experiences as both the youngest and oldest person in his respective groups. He also discusses his theory of collaborators, emphasizing the importance of openness, curiosity, and ambition.
The Status of Quantum Computing
This Chapter delves into the current state of quantum computing, with Nielsen offering a cautiously optimistic outlook on its future potential. He explores the potential applications of quantum computing, including the discovery of new materials and the possibility of quantum money.
Linear Algebra and the Nature of the World
This Chapter discusses the role of linear algebra in various fields, including quantum computing and AI, and its implications for our understanding of the universe. Nielsen also shares his thoughts on the progress of science, the importance of openness, and the challenges of navigating the complexities of scientific institutions.
The Vulnerable World Hypothesis
This Chapter explores the vulnerable world hypothesis, the potential for near-universal surveillance, and the importance of maintaining a balance between transparency and opacity. Nielsen also reflects on his own journey of learning and the importance of seeking out new experiences and perspectives.
Keywords
Michael Nielsen
Michael Nielsen is a polymath with expertise in physics, quantum computing, open science, and more. He is the co-author of "Quantum Computation and Quantum Information" and "Reinventing Discovery: The New Era of Networked Science." He is also a prominent figure in the open science movement and has worked at Y Combinator. He is currently thinking about the fragility of civilization and other related topics.
Quantum Computing
Quantum computing is a type of computing that uses quantum-mechanical phenomena, such as superposition and entanglement, to perform operations on data. It has the potential to revolutionize many fields, including medicine, materials science, and artificial intelligence.
Open Science
Open science is a movement that advocates for making scientific research more accessible, transparent, and collaborative. It involves sharing data, code, and publications openly, and encouraging collaboration among researchers.
Vulnerable World Hypothesis
The vulnerable world hypothesis is a theory that suggests that the world is becoming increasingly vulnerable to catastrophic events, such as pandemics, climate change, and nuclear war. It argues that technological advancements, coupled with social and political instability, are creating a more fragile and unpredictable world.
Surveillance
Surveillance is the monitoring of the activities, communications, or other personal information of individuals or groups. It can be conducted by governments, corporations, or individuals, and can be used for a variety of purposes, including security, law enforcement, and marketing.
Space Repetition
Space repetition is a learning technique that involves reviewing material at increasing intervals. It is based on the idea that the brain forgets information over time, and that repeated exposure to the material helps to strengthen the memory.
Emergent Ventures
Emergent Ventures is a grant-making organization that supports individuals and organizations working on projects that are outside of the mainstream. It is focused on funding projects that are innovative, impactful, and have the potential to create positive change in the world.
Talent Identification
Talent identification is the process of identifying individuals who have the potential to be successful in a particular field. It can involve a variety of methods, such as testing, observation, and interviews.
Comparative Advantage
Comparative advantage is an economic theory that suggests that individuals, firms, or countries should specialize in producing goods and services that they can produce more efficiently than others. This specialization allows for greater overall productivity and economic growth.
Numinus
The numinous is a term used to describe a feeling of awe, mystery, and wonder that is often associated with religious experiences. It is a sense of something that is beyond human understanding and that inspires a sense of reverence and humility.
Q&A
Why do we find certain aspects of the universe visually appealing but not aurally?
Nielsen suggests that our perception of beauty is influenced by novelty and structure, which we are programmed to recognize instinctively. While visual aspects of the universe, like spiral galaxies, offer novelty and structure, the sounds of the universe, like those near a black hole, tend to lack these qualities.
What is Nielsen's theory of collaborators?
Nielsen believes his collaborators share certain traits: they are extremely open to experience, curious, perceptual, ambitious, and imaginative. He also seeks collaborators with strong skills that complement his own, creating a diversity of perspectives.
What is the current status of quantum computing?
Nielsen is cautiously optimistic about the future of quantum computing, noting significant progress in recent years. While it is not yet solved, he believes it is a matter of time before it becomes a reality, with potential applications in materials science and other fields.
What is the vulnerable world hypothesis?
The vulnerable world hypothesis suggests that the world is becoming increasingly vulnerable to catastrophic events due to technological advancements and social instability. Nielsen believes that near-universal surveillance, while potentially beneficial for justice, could also become a point of vulnerability.
What caused Nielsen's shift in perspective on emergent ventures?
Nielsen's initial skepticism about emergent ventures was overcome by his positive experiences with EV grantees. He was impressed by the quality of the projects and the individuals involved, and he believes EV is effectively supporting worthwhile projects that lack institutional support.
What is the importance of space repetition for Nielsen?
Nielsen believes space repetition is a valuable tool for improving memory and paying attention to the world. He sees it as a general-purpose strategy that can enhance learning and understanding.
What is Nielsen's view on the relationship between human beings and institutions?
Nielsen, influenced by thinkers like Ivan Illich and John Holt, believes that institutions often fail to treat individuals as human beings, denying them agency. He emphasizes the importance of institutions being less paternalistic and more respectful of individual autonomy.
What is Nielsen's view on the progress of science?
Nielsen believes that science is not necessarily slowing down, but that our ability to measure progress is limited. He suggests that AI has the potential to significantly accelerate scientific progress in the coming years.
What is Nielsen's view on the future of AI?
Nielsen believes that AI is likely to have a significant impact on the future, potentially leading to a concentration of power in the hands of a few companies or countries. He is interested in observing how AI will shape the relationship between individual researchers and centers of capital.
What is Nielsen's view on the cost of nuclear weapons and the potential for their misuse?
Nielsen is concerned about the potential for nuclear weapons to become more accessible and affordable, making them a greater threat to civilization. He believes that the cost of nuclear weapons becoming low enough to pose a significant threat is a real possibility, although he is more concerned about other threats at this time.
Show Notes
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Michael Nielsen is a scientist who helped pioneer quantum computing and the modern open science movement. He's worked at Y Combinator, co-authored on scientific progress with Patrick Collison, and is a prolific writer, reader, commentator, and mentor.
He joined Tyler to discuss why the universe is so beautiful to human eyes (but not ears), how to find good collaborators, the influence of Simone Weil, where Olaf Stapledon's understand of the social word went wrong, potential applications of quantum computing, the (rising) status of linear algebra, what makes for physicists who age well, finding young mentors, why some scientific fields have pre-print platforms and others don't, how so many crummy journals survive, the threat of cheap nukes, the many unknowns of Mars colonization, techniques for paying closer attention, what you learn when visiting the USS Midway, why he changed his mind about Emergent Ventures, why he didn't join OpenAI in 2015, what he'll learn next, and more.
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Recorded March 24th, 2024.
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