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Open Season on Precedent (with Joyce Vance)

Open Season on Precedent (with Joyce Vance)

Update: 2024-06-251
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This segment delves into the recent Louisiana law mandating the posting of the Ten Commandments in every public school classroom. The hosts discuss the clear constitutional violation, citing the 1980 Supreme Court case Stone v. Graham, which ruled against similar legislation. They highlight the activist-driven nature of this law, seeing it as an attempt to reverse established precedent and further Christian nationalism. The hosts also point out the hypocrisy of the law's claim to historical and traditional accuracy, as the mandated version is a Protestant one. The discussion then explores the potential for this law to be challenged in court, with the ACLU already filing a lawsuit. The hosts emphasize the importance of upholding the separation of church and state, arguing that forcing students to be exposed to religious content they may not subscribe to violates their rights. They also discuss the broader implications of this law, seeing it as part of a larger trend of attempts to erode established legal precedent and entrench religious beliefs in government.

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00:00:00
Introduction

This Chapter introduces the topic of the Louisiana law requiring public schools to display the Ten Commandments and sets the stage for a discussion about its constitutionality and implications.

00:01:07
Louisiana's Ten Commandments Law

This Chapter focuses on the Louisiana law requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. The hosts discuss the law's blatant unconstitutionality, citing the 1980 Supreme Court case Stone v. Graham as a direct precedent. They also highlight the activist-driven nature of the law and its potential to further entrench Christian nationalism in government.

00:05:57
Legal Challenges and Implications

This Chapter explores the legal challenges to the Louisiana law, with the ACLU filing a lawsuit against it. The hosts discuss the plaintiffs in the case, representing diverse religious and non-religious perspectives, and the potential for the lawsuit to be successful. They also discuss the broader implications of the law, seeing it as part of a larger trend of attempts to erode established legal precedent and entrench religious beliefs in government.

00:10:03
The Supreme Court's Role and the Future

This Chapter examines the Supreme Court's role in shaping the legal landscape surrounding the separation of church and state. The hosts discuss the court's recent decisions, particularly Kennedy v. Bremerton, which signaled a potential shift away from the Lemon test and towards a focus on history and tradition. They argue that this shift has emboldened activists to challenge established precedent, as seen in the Louisiana Ten Commandments law. The hosts conclude by emphasizing the importance of upholding the separation of church and state and the need to resist attempts to erode this fundamental principle.

Keywords

Stone v. Graham


A 1980 Supreme Court case that ruled against a Kentucky law requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. The case established a precedent against government-sponsored displays of religious texts in public schools, citing the violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Establishment Clause


A clause in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution that prohibits the government from establishing a state religion or favoring one religion over another. It ensures the separation of church and state and protects individuals from government coercion in matters of religion.

Christian Nationalism


A political ideology that seeks to establish a Christian-based government and society. It often involves promoting Christian values and beliefs as the foundation of public life and advocating for policies that favor Christianity over other religions or secular perspectives.

Free Exercise Clause


A clause in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution that protects the right of individuals to practice their religion freely. It ensures that the government cannot interfere with an individual's religious beliefs or practices, unless those practices pose a clear and present danger to public safety or order.

Lemon Test


A legal test used by the Supreme Court to determine whether a government action violates the Establishment Clause. The test has three prongs: the action must have a secular purpose, its primary effect must not be to advance or inhibit religion, and it must not create an excessive entanglement between government and religion.

Separation of Church and State


A fundamental principle in the United States that prohibits the government from establishing a state religion or interfering with the free exercise of religion. It ensures that religious institutions are independent from government control and that individuals are free to practice their faith without government interference.

Ten Commandments


A set of religious laws and moral principles believed to have been given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai. They are considered sacred texts in Judaism and Christianity and are often used as a foundation for moral and ethical behavior.

ACLU


The American Civil Liberties Union, a non-profit organization that defends and protects the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. The ACLU is known for its advocacy on issues such as freedom of speech, religion, and the press, as well as civil rights and liberties.

Louisiana


A state located in the Southern United States, known for its diverse culture, history, and natural beauty. Louisiana is home to New Orleans, a major city renowned for its music, food, and festivals. The state has a rich history, influenced by French, Spanish, and Native American cultures.

Supreme Court


The highest court in the United States, responsible for interpreting the Constitution and federal laws. The Supreme Court has nine justices, appointed for life by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Its decisions are binding on all lower courts in the country.

Q&A

  • What is the Louisiana law that is being discussed and why is it controversial?

    The Louisiana law requires all public school classrooms, from elementary to college, to display a poster of the Ten Commandments. It's controversial because it's seen as a blatant violation of the separation of church and state, forcing students to be exposed to religious content they may not subscribe to.

  • What legal precedent is being cited to argue against the Louisiana law?

    The 1980 Supreme Court case Stone v. Graham, which ruled against a similar law in Kentucky, is being cited as a direct precedent. This case established that government-sponsored displays of religious texts in public schools violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

  • What are the broader implications of this law beyond its immediate impact on Louisiana schools?

    The hosts see this law as part of a larger trend of activists seeking to erode established legal precedent and entrench religious beliefs in government. They believe this is a dangerous development that could lead to further erosion of the separation of church and state.

  • What is the ACLU's role in this situation?

    The ACLU has filed a lawsuit challenging the Louisiana law, arguing that it violates the First Amendment rights of students and teachers. They are representing a diverse group of plaintiffs, including people from different religions and non-believers.

  • How does the Supreme Court's recent decision in Kennedy v. Bremerton relate to this situation?

    The Supreme Court's decision in Kennedy v. Bremerton signaled a potential shift away from the Lemon test, which was used to determine the constitutionality of government actions related to religion. This shift has emboldened activists to challenge established precedent, as seen in the Louisiana Ten Commandments law.

  • What is the significance of the Ten Commandments being a Protestant version in the Louisiana law?

    The hosts point out that the law's claim to historical and traditional accuracy is hypocritical, as the mandated version is a Protestant one. This highlights the selective and biased nature of the law's intent.

  • What is the potential outcome of the ACLU's lawsuit?

    The hosts acknowledge that the outcome of the lawsuit is uncertain, given the Supreme Court's recent decisions. However, they believe that the law is clearly unconstitutional based on established precedent and hope that the courts will uphold the separation of church and state.

  • What is the significance of the hosts' discussion about the "render under God and render under Caesar" quote?

    The quote highlights the importance of keeping religion and government separate. The hosts argue that intermingling these two spheres can diminish religion and undermine the principles of religious freedom.

  • What is the overall message of this segment?

    The segment emphasizes the importance of upholding the separation of church and state and resisting attempts to erode this fundamental principle. It highlights the dangers of Christian nationalism and the need to protect the rights of all individuals, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Show Notes

In an excerpt from a new episode of the CAFE Insider podcast, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down the new Louisiana law requiring public school classrooms to display the Ten Commandments. They also preview the ACLU’s lawsuit challenging the law under the First Amendment.


In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss: 


– The Florida hearings during which District Judge Aileen Cannon appeared skeptical of former President Donald Trump’s arguments challenging special counsel Jack Smith’s appointment as unlawful; and

– A federal judge’s order freezing enforcement of Iowa’s controversial immigration law, which makes it a state crime to enter the country, and the state of Iowa, illegally.


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