For Episode 5 of OTB, we decided pivot a little from the way we normally do things. Within mostly audio presentation, Grace O'Connor, MA, LMFT assumes the role as solo host as she moderates a conversation with guest, Los Angeles Gender Center co-founder, Elise Turen, Phd, ASC, and GWLA President and Founder Casey Weitzman, MA, LMFT — normally, OTB's other co-host. At GWLA, we think it's important to take time and reflect on he Trans/Nonbinary community's history, as we try to clear the hurdles we face every day. With Episode 5, we are provided with a unique perspective earned over time, from two clinicians, once workplace colleagues at the LA Gender Center nearly 30 years ago, and still friends today. Both Elise and Casey were true pioneers, among only a handful of professionals — truly — who created institutions and mechanisms for the community to receive Trans-affirming care in Los Angeles, for decades now.