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PARENTING WITH PRESENCE TO CONNECT AND HEAL!

PARENTING WITH PRESENCE TO CONNECT AND HEAL!

Update: 2026-03-13
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This podcast episode delves into the complexities of parenting neurodivergent children, addressing challenges like bullying and the need for understanding. Dr. Deborah Kessler introduces Internal Family Systems (IFS) as a framework to view neurological differences not as deficits but as unique gifts. The discussion clarifies neurodivergence, contrasting it with temporary states, and uses the "square peg in a round hole" analogy to highlight the damage of forcing conformity. Key concepts include regulation, arousal, and viewing challenging behaviors as defensive responses. Parental attunement, self-awareness, and the principles of IFS—understanding the psyche as composed of adaptive "parts"—are explained. The episode stresses the importance of parental self-care, especially in the context of trauma, and how unresolved parental issues can impact parenting. It guides parents to deconstruct their child's sensory experiences, ask open-ended questions, and seek professional support. The value of slowing down, developing reflective function, and understanding behaviors like fidgeting as coping mechanisms is emphasized. The episode concludes by highlighting the power of presence, validation, embracing individuality, building resilience through uncomfortable feelings, and making friends with emotions, with final tips focusing on connection, curiosity, and presence.

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00:00:00
Understanding Neurodivergence and Parenting Challenges

Parents often struggle to instinctively know how to help their children thrive, especially neurodivergent ones. This episode addresses a listener's question about their autistic son facing bullying. Dr. Deborah Kessler, an expert in Internal Family Systems (IFS) and neurodivergence, joins to discuss supporting children who are "wired differently," viewing it as a divergence with unique gifts rather than a deficit. The discussion clarifies terms like "neurodivergent" and "ADHD," defining neurodivergence as a foundational difference in neurological wiring and information processing, distinct from temporary states.

00:06:38
The "Square Peg" Analogy, Regulation, and Defensive Behaviors

The "square peg in a round hole" analogy illustrates the harm of forcing neurodivergent individuals to conform to neurotypical expectations, emphasizing compassion and curiosity over judgment. Understanding regulation and arousal levels is crucial, as seemingly disruptive behaviors are often defensive responses to being overwhelmed or understimulated.

00:12:12
Parental Attunement, IFS, and Understanding Inner Child Parts

Children often lack self-awareness to articulate their needs, making parental attunement vital. Parents are encouraged to be curious and compassionate. Internal Family Systems (IFS) posits that our core self is good, and "parts" develop as adaptive strategies. IFS views the psyche as comprised of various "parts" that help us adapt, and the goal is to build a relationship with these parts, understanding their roles and helping them step back when no longer needed. Adult behaviors can reflect younger, protective parts, and IFS work involves recognizing these parts, understanding their origins, and fostering healing.

00:19:53
Trauma, Self-Care, and Deconstructing a Child's Experience

Trauma can lead to the development of protective "parts" in children. Parents are encouraged to practice self-care ("put on your own oxygen mask") to address their own emotional needs before effectively supporting their child. Similar gender dynamics between parent and child can intensify issues, and unresolved parental trauma can be triggered. Understanding a child's unique sensory profile and their specific experiences is crucial, requiring parents to create space for curiosity and self-reflection.

00:25:24
Reflective Function, Fidgeting, and Sensory Complexity

Developing language for internal experiences and reflective function is a journey, especially for overwhelmed neurodivergent individuals. Behaviors like fidgeting, often seen in ADHD, can be adaptive coping mechanisms, and shaming them can lead to micro-traumas. The immense complexity of sensory input is acknowledged, and adults are encouraged to extend grace and self-compassion, recognizing the lack of education in these areas.

00:30:10
Family Systems, Emotional Intelligence, and Modeling Acceptance

Education in emotional intelligence and attunement often begins in the family. Parents who didn't experience this modeling are encouraged to give themselves grace as they learn. Children can teach adults about humanity and empathy, fostering self-awareness and attunement. Presence is key to connecting with children, allowing for genuine observation and connection. Validation acknowledges a person's experience, and parents are encouraged to validate their own needs and their child's.

00:36:57
Building Resilience and Embracing Individuality

Comparing children is detrimental; celebrating each child's unique needs and gifts fosters self-worth. Allowing children to experience and navigate uncomfortable feelings builds resilience, empowering them to face challenges. All emotions are valid messengers, and learning to manage them healthily equips children with essential life skills. The go-to advice for parents is connection: be present, curious, and open, avoiding judgment and simply being with the child's experience. The gift of presence, validation, and asking "What do you need?" facilitates repair and deeper connection. Modeling acceptance towards dysregulated parts helps children feel safe, and offering compassionate presence to inner child parts promotes understanding.

Keywords

Neurodivergence


Variations in the human brain regarding sociability, learning, attention, mood, and other mental functions, viewed as natural variations.

Internal Family Systems (IFS)


A psychotherapy model viewing the mind as multiple "parts," emphasizing healing through a relationship between the core "Self" and these parts.

Regulation and Arousal


The ability to manage emotional, behavioral, and physiological states, and the level of nervous system activation, crucial for engagement.

Trauma-Informed Care


An approach recognizing the impact of trauma, understanding recovery paths, and emphasizing safety for providers and survivors.

Self-Awareness


Conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires, foundational for emotional intelligence and growth.

Compassion


Sympathetic pity and concern for others' suffering, involving kindness, understanding, and non-judgment.

Curiosity


A strong desire to know or learn, encouraging exploration, understanding, and open-mindedness in relationships.

Presence


Being fully attentive and engaged with another person, offering focused attention and emotional availability.

Q&A

  • What is neurodivergence and how does it differ from temporary states like being tired or having too much coffee?

    Neurodivergence refers to a fundamental difference in how an individual's brain is wired and processes information, which is pervasive and consistent. This is distinct from temporary states like fatigue or caffeine-induced jitters, which are situational and not indicative of a core neurological difference.

  • How does Internal Family Systems (IFS) help in understanding and managing challenging behaviors, especially in children?

    IFS views behaviors as expressions of internal "parts" that developed to protect or adapt. By understanding these parts and their origins, parents can respond with compassion rather than judgment, fostering self-regulation in children and addressing underlying needs.

  • Why is parental self-care and self-awareness crucial when dealing with a child's struggles, particularly after trauma like bullying?

    Parents need to manage their own emotional responses and potential triggers stemming from their past. By practicing self-care and self-awareness, they can be more present, regulated, and effectively support their child without their own unresolved issues interfering.

  • What does it mean to be "present" with a child, and why is it so important?

    Being present means offering focused attention and emotional availability, truly engaging with the child without distractions. This deepens connection, helps children feel seen and valued, and models healthy interaction, which is more impactful than multitasking.

  • How can parents help children become resilient when facing uncomfortable feelings or difficult situations?

    Resilience is built by allowing children to experience and navigate uncomfortable feelings, rather than shielding them. Validating their emotions and providing tools to manage them, rather than fixing the situation, empowers them to cope with life's challenges.

Show Notes

If you're a parent, you might expect yourself to automatically have the right skills and inherent ability to help your child thrive. Yet no matter your child's age, you've likely found that parenting is no easy task. As every child is unique, even the most well-prepared parents often find themselves struggling. If issues such as neurodivergence and trauma enter the picture, things can get even more challenging. And because there's no single tip that fits all situations, today's top expert, Dr. Debra Kessler, has an impressive array of research-backed strategies that can help children–and their parents–become more self-aware, resilient, and confident.

 

Topics discussed include neurodiversity, ADHD, trauma, bullying, IFS, Internal Family Systems, dominant culture, parenting, attunement, healing, school, emotions, emotional intelligence, ruptures, repairs, compassion, confidence, resilience, self-awareness, emotional connection, children, empowerment, and well-being.


Please note that this episode may contain sensitive material; listener discretion is advised.


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 IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: No expert in this (or any episode) is offering medical or psychological direction; the content is purely informational in nature. Please consult your physician or healthcare provider before undertaking any new regimen or procedure.


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