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Part 3: ‘Italy First’

Part 3: ‘Italy First’

Update: 2019-06-1253
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In Italy, hard-right populists have moved from the fringes to become part of the national government. Now, the country is on the front lines of a nationalist resurgence in Europe. To understand why, we spent a day with Susanna Ceccardi, a rising star of the far-right League party. Guest Host: Katrin Bennhold, the Berlin bureau chief for The New York Times, and Clare Toeniskoetter and Lynsea Garrison, producers for “The Daily,” hit the campaign trail with Ms. Ceccardi in Tuscany. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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Gemma

One last thing: this piece, much like the taxi emblem, reached Glass levels of altering quotes. You have anti-migrant voters giving anti-migrant rhetoric in support of anti-migrant candidate who's made immigration her banner-issue while the speaker says "it's not really about the migrants." Man, I guess a couple of drinks and an Italian lunch is enough to buy you off, huh?

Jun 14th
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Altea Koenig

various translations are incorrect. 'Salvini premier' means 'salvini prime minister', not Salvini first, for example.

Jun 13th
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Jared Poulter

Altea Koenig I get that. I personally don't speak Italian, but I do speak Polish and I took issue with some of their translating in that episode. At one point the interviewee corrected the reporter on a claim she made and they completely ignored it and basically just summarized a conversation that I assume took place over a much longer period of time rather than actually translating what he was saying.

Jun 16th
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Altea Koenig

Jared Poulter I see your point of giving context but what use is it if it's misunderstood? to be fair most of the translation is problematic. relevant parts have been omitted (the lady's speech was filled with racist anti-Islam hatred which was simply left out) and others misinterpreted, like the example somebody quoted in the comments below. I understand how the misinterpretation of 'Salvini premier' happened, it's close to French 'première' and especially after spending some time in France it's easy to think it just means 'first'. but don't they verify their translation before the episode airs?!

Jun 16th
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Wendy Bruder

the problem is there are too many people on the planet and not enough resources. some of us were just luckier to be born in better places on the planet. people are selfish and only want what is good for them. nobody wants to make sacrifices for anyone else.

Jun 12th
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Mateus Oliveira

Wendy Bruder If an Italian moved to China they’d have to assimilate, if an Italian moved to Syria they’d have to assimilate. Shouldn’t be a one way street where everyone has to assimilate to the country they move to EXCEPT in Europe.

Jun 12th
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Mateus Oliveira

Wendy Bruder There’s far more than enough resources lmfao the problem is corrupt governments around the world who steal from their people and implement policies that stifle economic growth.. Also, the idea that “People are selfish” is a joke, it’s not Europe’s job to work their asses off to pay exorbitant amount of taxes to provide for other people nor is it Europe’s job to throw its culture, values, religion, etc out the door to make room for other cultures... Italy isn’t Canada or America.

Jun 12th
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Paolo Laino

The translation at 3:10 is NOT correct! The woman does NOT say "they have everything" she doesn't even say that they don't work. She says there is no work.

Jun 12th
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Mateus Oliveira

Pissio You literally just proved my point lmfao... “People hold positions I don’t agree with therefore are racist because I’m so morally superior that anyone who doesn’t agree with my positions is CLEARLY a racist since I’m not” 😂😂... I’ve yet to hear you name one single thing that they did that is ‘far-right’ besides (I guess) meeting with other eurosceptic parties that are considered ‘far-right’ by leftists at the NYT and disagree with Germany’s open border policy. Have they rounded dissidents up to throw in jail? Do they cracked down on protests with force? Have they clamped down on opposition parties? Have they arrested or jailed anyone without due process? Have the gotten rid of elections to hold onto power? Have they seized control of the internet to control the flow of information? Or do you just label anyone who doesn’t want your policies a fascist?

Jun 12th
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Mateus Oliveira

pissio You said that Italy questioning unchecked immigration was based on racism... Implying they’re racist for not holding the same position as you (because we all know that Italy would be fully on board and probably roll out the red carpet for hundreds of thousands of White Russians just waltzing in to the country and setting up shop because another country said they could). And again you’ve mentioned nothing that they’ve done that makes them alt-right except mention quotes (that can’t be found on the internet), that they agree with and are allied with other parties on the subject of how to handle/reform the EU, and mentioned a radical follower who attacked people. Using that logic the Democrats and Bernie Sanders are responsible for their supporter who went and shot up a Republican baseball practice with the intent to “Kill Republicans” since all Sanders and the Dems talk about is how legitimately evil the republicans are and that they’re nazis, racist/every other -ic or -ist word in the dictionary who want to strip people of their basic rights and are destroying/are an existential threat to the country that must be stopped before it’s too late!!! Or (Continuing to use your guilt by association logic) the mainstream liberal parties in Europe who are aligned with far-left actual communist “revolution, seize the means of production” parties in the EU parliament are clearly also far-left radical communists because they all agree on Pro-Europeanism. Last but not least... I find it funny that Italians or Hungarians are called racist for questions or wanting to stop unchecked mass immigration from a region with completely different language, culture, religion, system of governance, laws, etc. But the people in question are coming from a region where Jews are not afforded basic human rights/not even allowed in to the country and has an oppressive system of governance and law (Sharia) are asked 0 questions about their values not expected to try and assimilate into the culture the way any Italian would have to if they moved to Syria.

Jun 12th
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pissio

Mateus Oliveira Lol obviously since I don't agree with you you start laughing at things I didn’t even say in the first place. If you want to have a conversation maybe try to respect my opinions, as I respect yours. You said "Typical NYT, if you don’t agree with their policies you’re far-right", I tried and justify why League is seen as far-right, pointing out at many hints that the League is very near to some far-right parties in Europe and giving examples of its proximity to some self-declared fascists. As for calling somebody racist, I think I’m justified to call racist a party whose members have compared black people to monkeys, said that white race should be defended and hinted or talked about ethnic substitution. Did I say or think that League is a fascist party? No. They don’t do any of the things you said, luckily, and I think our democratic structure is too strong to be overturned like it happened in the 1920s. But I think all these things, combined with removing banners against League rallies, and recently beating a person for holding a banner with a Bible reference (“Love your neighbor as yourself”) are quite enough to call League a far-right party (after all we were talking about this, and not about my “moral superiority")

Jun 12th
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pissio

Mateus, the links between the League and the far-right are stronger than you imply, and not based only on the position on migration. The first things that come to my mind are the rally recently organised by Salvini with all the far-right parties of Europe (Front National, AFD, …), the proximity of Salvini to fascists, both in words and in actions, and the political and social violence of many of the things the League says. Salvini’s biography was published by a far-right publisher, he refused to call himself an anti-fascist for a long time, there are a lot of journalist inquiries on the links between the party he rebuilt and known fascists, he often uses Mussolini’s own words, …  So I don’t think that the NYT labels the League far-right just because of migration policy; and these policies are nonetheless strongly based on racist and populistic claims.

Jun 12th
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Mateus Oliveira

Typical NYT, if you don’t agree with their policies you’re far-right. Germany says anyone who wants to come in can just come in and if you disagree with that than you’re clearly an alt-right. Italy becomes the stop off point for tens if not hundreds of thousands of people showing up in droves so elects a government to put an end or at least slow it... ALT-RIGHT!!! How dare you Italy! Don’t you understand your duty is to do as your told by your liberal overlords in New York and Berlin? They want unchecked immigration and therefore you must comply or be labelled “NAZIIIIII”.

Jun 12th
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Part 3: ‘Italy First’

Part 3: ‘Italy First’