Michael Truell (CEO of Cursor) sits down with Patrick Collison (CEO of Stripe) to discuss programming languages, the role of AI in programming, and building long-lasting software.

00:15 Why Patrick wrote his first startup in Smalltalk

03:35 LISP chatbots

06:09 Good ideas from esoteric programming languages

09:12 Brett Victor and Dynamicland

16:37 Programming human organizations

20:28 A codebase's "Big Bang" moment and MongoDB

25:49 Rewriting Stripe

32:00 How do you, Patrick Collison, use AI?

38:25 Changes to GDP/TFP

41:56 Programming human biology

46:10 Unexpected beneficiaries of AI