DiscoverUnchainedPlasma's Successful Launch, Revenue Over TVL & the Future of Pump.fun - Ep. 910
Plasma's Successful Launch, Revenue Over TVL & the Future of Pump.fun - Ep. 910

Plasma's Successful Launch, Revenue Over TVL & the Future of Pump.fun - Ep. 910

Update: 2025-09-26
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How do stablecoin-first blockchains win distribution? Does TVL actually map to value? And why speculation may become the default language of online culture.


In this 3-part episode, we explore three different important stories.




  • Segment 1: CoinFund’s Seth Ginns explains how newly launched stablecoin chain Plasma aims to compete, plus why the “stablecoin race” with Circle and Stripe is just beginning.




  • Segment 2: Solana Foundation president Lily Liu lays out why revenue—not TVL—should be crypto’s north-star metric, whether TVL can be easily gamed, and what a better DeFi metric stack looks like.




  • Segment 3: Figment Capital’s James Parillo makes the case for Pump.fun and “AudienceFi”: how creator coins can financialize streaming, whether token collapses are a feature, and why both perps and memecoins rhyme with gambling.


    Thank you to our sponsors!







  • James Parillo, General Partner at Figment Capital




  • Lily Liu, President of Solana Foundation




  • Seth Ginns, Managing Partner and Head of Liquid Investments at CoinFund





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Plasma's Successful Launch, Revenue Over TVL & the Future of Pump.fun - Ep. 910

Plasma's Successful Launch, Revenue Over TVL & the Future of Pump.fun - Ep. 910

Laura Shin