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This podcast features an in-depth interview with CM Punk, covering his highly anticipated return to WWE, his upcoming WrestleMania main event against Roman Reigns, and his strategies for handling pressure. Punk delves into the impact of his infamous "pipe bomb" promo, his professional approach to rivalries, and his personal growth over the past decade. He also shares reflections on his wife AJ Lee's resilience, his current wrestling prowess, and the best and worst aspects of his return. The conversation touches on the spontaneous nature of his WWE comeback, his non-compete clause, and his decision to prioritize his health during his time away. Punk discusses his iconic WrestleMania attire, his indifference to external opinions, and his past experiences with games like Magic: The Gathering and Dungeons & Dragons. He offers insights into WWE superstars transitioning to Hollywood, the future of professional wrestling, and the role of celebrity involvement. The interview also includes humorous anecdotes, such as a hypothetical scenario involving Braun Strowman and a story about The Undertaker's advice on dress code. Punk identifies underrated talents in NXT and provides advice for new WWE debuts, emphasizing the importance of savoring key moments. He reflects on his flawless return in Chicago, contrasts it with The Shockmaster's infamous debut, and highlights Danhausen's unique appeal. Finally, Punk discusses his current career success, his resilience after an injury, and his aspirations for a post-wrestling career, emphasizing a desire to avoid conflicts of interest.

Outlines

00:00:00

Introduction and Podcast Promotion

This segment introduces the podcast and promotes other iHeart Radio podcasts like "The Girlfriends," "Thanks Dad," "Love Trapped," and "Rorschach: Murder at City Hall."

00:02:50

CM Punk's WWE Championship and WrestleMania Main Event

CM Punk discusses his upcoming WWE Championship match against Roman Reigns at WrestleMania, his first time headlining the event, and the pressure and anticipation surrounding it.

00:05:13

Handling Pressure and the "Pipe Bomb" Promo

CM Punk explains how he uses anticipatory anxiety as fuel and discusses the spontaneity and impact of his infamous "pipe bomb" promo, clarifying that producers didn't know everything he would say.

00:07:26

Rivalry with Roman Reigns and Professionalism

CM Punk addresses the perceived animosity between him and Roman Reigns, stating that while they may not like each other, they are professionals focused on delivering a great match. He explains that in the ring, it's all business, regardless of personal feelings.

00:11:07

Triple H's Role and Feeling Respected

CM Punk reflects on Triple H's transition to an executive role and expresses feeling respected within the company, acknowledging the power dynamics and similarities between himself and Triple H.

00:14:11

Personal Growth, Maturation, and AJ Lee's Resilience

CM Punk discusses his personal growth over the last five years, emphasizing patience learned through marriage and a decreased focus on trivial matters. He draws parallels between his own journey and AJ Lee's perspective on her bipolar disorder, viewing her challenges as a source of strength.

00:16:59

Current Wrestling Prowess and Return Reflections

CM Punk believes he is wrestling at his best, embracing the "old man punk" persona. He shares that the best part of his return was sharing moments with his wife, while the worst was the frequent travel. He recounts the chaotic and last-minute nature of his WWE return, emphasizing that it was not planned.

00:21:54

Non-Compete Clause, Health, and Shared Success

CM Punk reveals he had no non-compete clause when his WWE contract ended, which significantly changed negotiations. He defends his 10-year absence from WWE, stating it was necessary for his health and personal life, and expresses the joy of returning to WWE alongside his wife, AJ Lee, highlighting their shared success.

00:24:03

WrestleMania Attire, Misconceptions, and Public Scrutiny

CM Punk explains his iconic white shirt and jeans attire at WrestleMania was due to a last-minute decision. He discusses clearing up misconceptions about himself, stating he doesn't care about external opinions unless they come from his wife or close friends. Punk reflects on the challenges of being in the public eye and learning to live with scrutiny.

00:28:30

Hypothetical Scenarios and Gaming Interests

CM Punk discusses a past idea for Braun Strowman to spear him and jokingly refers to AJ Lee as "Topango." He shares his past experience playing Magic: The Gathering and mentions plans to set up a Dungeons & Dragons one-shot for his wife, AJ Lee.

00:36:26

WWE Superstars in Hollywood and Danhausen's Success

CM Punk discusses which WWE superstars should transition to Hollywood, humorously suggesting Danhausen. He downplays his direct role in Danhausen's WWE success, emphasizing that Danhausen stands on his own merits.

00:39:21

Wrestling Mindset, Booking, and Danhausen's Appeal

CM Punk describes his "wrestling booker brain" and believes the future of professional wrestling lies in its past, focusing on fundamental storytelling and personal rivalries. He discusses the importance of smart booking and explains Danhausen's appeal by connecting it to campy horror movies and wrestling.

00:42:11

Celebrity Involvement and Nerves Watching AJ Lee

CM Punk expresses bewilderment at the backlash against celebrity involvement in wrestling, pointing out historical precedents. He admits to feeling nervous watching his wife, AJ Lee, wrestle.

00:45:27

Anecdotes and Advice for New Debuts

The hosts playfully inquire about a story AJ Lee told. CM Punk advises new WWE talent, including Danhausen, to savor their big moments by "slowing down time" and appreciating the experience.

00:47:31

Flawless Return and The Shockmaster Incident

CM Punk describes his return to wrestling in Chicago as flawless. He recounts the infamous "Shockmaster" incident in WCW, detailing the costume malfunction and botched entrance, comparing it humorously to Danhausen's intentional comedic style.

00:52:10

Danhausen's Unique Appeal and Wrestling Essence

CM Punk highlights Danhausen's unique ability to make even failures endearing, embodying the essence of pro wrestling by making the audience believe in his character. He jokingly states he never wants to see Danhausen again.

00:57:54

Current Career Success, Injury, and Resilience

CM Punk reflects on his current career success, attributing it to being in a "flow state." He discusses his comeback, including an immediate tricep tear, and his determination to overcome the setback.

01:00:09

Madison Square Garden Sell-Out and Triple H's Recognition

CM Punk expresses pride in selling out Madison Square Garden upon his return, viewing it as validation of his impact. He believes his successful return showed Triple H that he still has drawing power ("juice").

01:01:42

Reaction to Tricep Tear and Viral Moments

CM Punk describes the emotional toll of tearing his tricep shortly after his return and his resolve to make it a positive turning point. He reflects on recent viral moments and his current high-level performance.

01:03:19

Handling Success, Personal Growth, and Enduring Drive

CM Punk suggests that his current success is due to his personal growth and readiness to handle it. He reflects on how, despite personal growth, a part of him remains driven by a desire to prove doubters wrong.

01:04:39

Legacy and Future Contributions

Acknowledging more road behind than ahead, the speaker expresses a strong desire to continue contributing significantly to the wrestling business.

01:04:51

Wrestling Lore and Personal Anecdotes

Mentions of Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and AJ Styles lead into a CM Punk story about Undertaker scolding him for not wearing dress shoes, highlighting the lore and personal interactions.

01:05:41

The Dress Shoe Incident and Evolving Perspectives

CM Punk recounts a European tour incident where Undertaker questioned his footwear. The speaker discusses how their perspective on dress codes has evolved, now opting for comfort.

01:09:04

A Full Circle Moment with Undertaker

A recent encounter with Undertaker, where both wore similar shoes, led to a humorous acknowledgment of Punk's "growth" and a full-circle moment from their past disagreement.

01:09:53

Post-Wrestling Career Aspirations and Avoiding Office Headaches

CM Punk discusses his thoughts on post-wrestling life, emphasizing a desire to avoid conflicts of interest by not being both a wrestler and in an office role simultaneously. He explains why he prefers to avoid the perception of power plays and potential conflicts.

01:11:40

Producer Role, Squirrel Girl, and Underrated NXT Talents

A suggestion is made for CM Punk to become a producer for "Squirrel Girl." CM Punk identifies Oba Femi, Javon Evans, Trick Williams, Grayson Waller, and JC Jane as underrated talents in NXT, discussing their potential and the importance of positioning.

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Q&A

• How does CM Punk handle the pressure of main-eventing WrestleMania?

  CM Punk views anticipatory anxiety as fuel, not a hindrance. He embraces the pressure as a sign of his importance and uses it to enhance his performance, seeing each main event as a new adventure.

• What was the significance of CM Punk's "pipe bomb" promo?

  The "pipe bomb" promo was significant because it blurred the lines between reality and storyline, with CM Punk delivering unscripted criticisms of WWE. This generated massive buzz and is considered a pivotal moment in his career.

• How does CM Punk approach wrestling matches against opponents he dislikes?

  CM Punk treats all matches as professional work, regardless of personal feelings. He believes that once the bell rings, the focus is on the performance and competition, not personal animosity.

• What advice does CM Punk give to new wrestlers debuting in WWE?

  CM Punk advises new talent to "slow down time" during their big moments, encouraging them to soak in the atmosphere and enjoy the experience, drawing from his own career milestones.

• What does CM Punk believe is the future of professional wrestling?

  CM Punk believes the future of professional wrestling lies in its past, emphasizing old-school fundamentals, compelling storytelling, and personal rivalries over excessive theatrics.

• How did CM Punk's 10-year absence from WWE impact his career and life?

  CM Punk views his 10-year absence as crucial for his health and personal life, stating he has no regrets. He believes this time away was necessary for his well-being and ultimately led to his current successful return.

• What is CM Punk's perspective on celebrity involvement in professional wrestling?

  CM Punk is bewildered by the criticism of celebrity involvement, citing historical examples like Liberace and Muhammad Ali at early WWE events, suggesting it has always been a part of wrestling's foundation.

• How does CM Punk view Danhausen's unique appeal in wrestling?

  CM Punk sees Danhausen's appeal in his ability to make even failures seem intentional and endearing, embodying the essence of pro wrestling by creating a character that captivates the audience through his unique charm and comedic timing.

• What was the core of the disagreement between CM Punk and The Undertaker regarding footwear?

  The Undertaker advised CM Punk to wear dress shoes to adhere to company standards, while Punk preferred comfortable athletic shoes, arguing his performance and dedication should matter more than his attire.

• Why does CM Punk believe he cannot hold an office position while still actively wrestling?

  Punk wants to avoid conflicts of interest and the perception of using his on-screen status to influence decisions, preferring to contribute as an "idea guy" when asked.

Show Notes