DiscoverHDTV and Home Theater PodcastPodcast #1241: Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!
Podcast #1241: Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!

Podcast #1241: Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!

Update: 2026-02-20
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The podcast delves into smart home automation with a review of the Acara Presence Sensor, highlighting its multi-zone detection capabilities. Listeners share their experiences and solutions for 4K picture quality issues on YouTube TV, particularly with Roku devices, and discuss improvements using Google TV. The conversation also touches on the evolution of public phone conversations, Hollywood earpiece tropes, and personal anecdotes. News segments include Netflix ending support for older devices and the shutdown of FanDuel Sports. Broadband usage trends are discussed, alongside the success of Olympic streaming on Peacock. Finally, a blind listening experiment is reviewed, questioning the audible difference between expensive speaker wires and unconventional conductors like mud and bananas, reinforcing the idea that high-end cables may not significantly impact sound quality in short runs.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction, Listener Support, and Public Conversation Evolution

The podcast begins with introductions and a call for listener support via Patreon and donations. The hosts then discuss how technology has normalized public phone conversations, once considered strange, and touch upon movie tropes involving earpieces.

00:04:01
Listener Experiences: Sonos, YouTube TV 4K, and Roku Solutions

Listeners share positive experiences with Sonos speakers and offer detailed solutions for improving 4K picture quality on YouTube TV, particularly addressing issues with Roku devices by suggesting manual display settings or switching to Google TV.

00:11:16
Audio Tech Discussions: SVS Soundbar, Transmission Line Speakers, and Brave Browser

The hosts discuss potential new audio hardware like the SVS soundbar and the design of transmission line speakers. A listener recommends the Brave browser for blocking YouTube ads, which is confirmed to be effective.

00:16:44
Internet Competition, TV Calibration, and Tech News Updates

The conversation touches on new fiber optic internet competition impacting deals and the idea of calibrating restaurant TVs. News segments cover Netflix ending support for older devices and the shutdown of FanDuel Sports due to financial issues.

00:21:43
Broadband Trends, Olympic Streaming Success, and Acara Presence Sensor Review

A report on increased broadband usage is discussed, alongside Peacock's success in streaming the Winter Olympics. The Acara Presence Sensor (FP2) is reviewed, highlighting its advanced multi-zone detection for smart home automation.

00:31:28
Audio Cable Conductivity Experiment and Smart Home Automation Possibilities

A blind listening experiment is discussed, questioning the audible difference between expensive speaker wire and unconventional conductors like mud and bananas. The advanced capabilities of the Acara Presence Sensor for precise smart home automation are further explored.

Keywords

Smart Home Automation


Technology for automating and controlling home functions, enhancing convenience and efficiency.

Acara Presence Sensor FP2


A smart home device using millimeter wave radar for multi-zone presence detection, enabling advanced automations.

YouTube TV 4K Issues


Problems with 4K picture quality on YouTube TV, often related to Roku devices and HDR settings.

Roku 4K HDR Settings


Adjustments for Roku devices to improve 4K High Dynamic Range picture quality, especially for sports.

Brave Browser


A web browser known for its built-in ad-blocking capabilities, including for YouTube.

Transmission Line Speakers


A type of speaker enclosure designed to enhance bass response and audio quality.

Blind Listening Test


An audio experiment to objectively assess sound quality differences without visual bias.

Broadband Usage Trends


Data on the increasing consumption of internet data, driven by streaming services.

Olympic Streaming


The use of streaming platforms, like Peacock, to broadcast major sporting events such as the Olympics.

Audio Cable Conductivity


The electrical properties of audio cables and their impact on sound quality, often debated in audiophile communities.

Q&A

  • How has the perception of talking to oneself in public changed with technology?

    Previously considered a sign of mental instability, talking on a phone with headphones, once a foreign concept, is now a completely normal and accepted behavior in public spaces.

  • What is the Acara Presence Sensor and what makes it a "game changer" for smart homes?

    The Acara Presence Sensor (FP2) uses millimeter wave radar to divide rooms into multiple zones (up to 30), allowing for highly personalized automations based on precise location, far exceeding standard motion sensors.

  • Can audio files reliably distinguish between expensive speaker wire and unconventional conductors in blind tests?

    No, blind listening experiments have shown that experienced audio files cannot reliably differentiate between high-end copper wire and materials like wet mud or bananas when used as short-run conductors.

  • What is the main issue listeners are experiencing with 4K on YouTube TV via Roku, and what are potential solutions?

    Some users experience washed-out or muted 4K picture quality on YouTube TV with Roku, especially during sports. Solutions include manually setting display type to 4K HDR (not Dolby Vision) or using a Google TV instead of the Roku box.

Show Notes

On this week's show we review the Aqara FP2 Presence Sensor and ask are expensive audio wires bananas? We also read your emails and take a look at the week's news.ย 

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Aqara FP2 Presence Sensor Review

The Aqara Presence Sensor FP2 (Buy Now $83) is a game-changer for smart home enthusiasts. Its standout feature is the ability to divide a room of 40ใŽก or ~430 sq ft into multiple (up to 30) distinct zones using advanced mmWave radar technology. This allows for some really cool home automations like triggering kitchen lights when someone enters the boundary. This effectively allows one sensor to act like up to 30 allowing personalized scenes based on exact positions far beyond what standard motion sensors can do.

Features:

  • ๐Œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ข-๐™๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐ƒ๐ž๐ญ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง - monitor areas up to 40ใŽก (430 sq ft). Create up to 30 zones (e.g., sofa, bed, desk) and assign custom automations to each.ย 
  • ๐Œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ข-๐๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ๐จ๐ง & ๐…๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ƒ๐ž๐ญ๐ž๐œ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง detect up to 5 people at the same time and trigger different scenarios and automation.ย 
  • Ultra-high Precision with More Privacy You can define interference areas in the application, exclude objects such as plants, curtains, or pets, and set the filter height to ignore fan movement, ensuring that human presence is accurately detected. With an IPX5 waterproof rating, FP2 is also ideal for humid environments like bathrooms.
  • Multi-Ecosystem Support The Aqara Presence Sensor is exposed as multiple sensors to HomeKit, Alexa, Google Home and Home Assistant.ย 
  • Built-In Light Sensor & Local Automations The Aqara FP2 has a built-in light sensor, which provides greater flexibility and enjoyment when creating lighting automations (Only available in Aqara Home, HomeKit, and IFTTT).ย 

I set one up in the family room which has line of sight to the kitchen. For the review I set up two zones, one in the family room and one in the kitchen. It's straightforward to do in the Aqara app. Once you set up a zone you name it and it appears as a new sensor in your preferred automation app. If there is motion in the zone you just defined the sensor moves to the triggered state. In my house the lights in the kitchen dim to 40% at 8:45 PM. Now when someone goes into the kitchen after 8:45 PM the light goes to 100% until they leave. And the response is almost instantaneous. The sensor connects to your home via bluetooth so no wonky wifi issues either.

Highly recommended for anyone wanting precise, creative control! However the price is a little on the steep side.ย 

Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!

Quite a few years ago there was a post at Audioholics that was eventually picked up by members of AVS forum that showed in blind testing, audiophiles could not tell the difference in sound quality between expensive speaker wire and coat hangers. This was back in 2008 and most of the links are dead but we will include what we can at the end of this post.ย  This week we received an email from a listener, Ray, pointing us to an article by Tom's Guide which piggybacks on this concept.ย ย 

A moderator (username "Pano") on the diyAudio forum conducted a blind listening experiment to test whether audiophiles could distinguish audio signals passed through unconventional "conductors" versus standard copper wire. The test compared four recordings of the same audio track. While not exactly the same as the original Audioholics experiment. The results are pretty astonishing. This is how the recordings were made:

  • Direct/original CD file.
  • Sent through ~180 cm of professional audio copper wire.
  • Sent through ~20 cm of wet mud connected by 120cm of old microphone cable soldered to US pennies.
  • Sent through a ~13 cm banana connected by the microphone cable and US Pennies.

Results:

  • Participants listened to sound clips in a blind ABX-style format and attempted to identify differences or match them to the original.
  • Listeners (experienced audiophiles and forum members) could not reliably tell the difference between the signals, even when comparing high-end copper wire to absurd alternatives like a banana or wet mud.
  • The experiment creator noted: "The mud should sound perfectly awful, but it doesn't," highlighting the unexpected lack of audible degradation.
  • Explanation for results: All tested materials (including wet mud and banana) had sufficiently low resistance for short lengths to pass the audio signal with minimal measurable or audible alteration at typical speaker-level or line-level voltages; resistance differences were too small to impact perceptible sound quality in the setup.
  • The article frames this as evidence challenging extreme audiophile claims about expensive cables/speaker wires making significant audible differences, as even highly conductive everyday/organic materials performed indistinguishably in blind conditions.
  • Implications: Reinforces arguments from audio science communities that many perceived cable differences are placebo or expectation bias rather than objectively audible when properly controlled for.

Links to the original Hanger Stories:

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Podcast #1241: Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!

Podcast #1241: Expensive Audio Wires are Bananas!