What happens after the systems map is complete? An increasing number of organizations understand the value of engaging with complexity, but the challenge comes when, after doing systems analysis, people fall back into the usual plan-control-implement-measure approach. Treating complexity as if it were just... "complicated".

In this episode, Jeff Mohr speaks with Viliana Dzhartova, co-founder of ReImagined Futures, about what it truly takes to move from systems analysis to systems change. They unpack why so many well-intentioned efforts get pulled back into linear thinking, and how leaders, teams, and institutions can begin to work in more adaptive, relational ways.

Tune in to learn more about:
- The role of systems mapping and stakeholder engagement in systems change
- Integrating long-term and intergenerational thinking into strategy and decision-making
- Core values and inner work for effective systemic transformation

If you’re trying to move beyond short-term fixes and into deeper, lasting change, this conversation will challenge the way you think about strategy, impact, and the future.

Mentioned in this episode:
- ReImagined Futures
- European Agrifood Systems Map
- Chronicity and dependency in Bages, Catalonia
- Catalonia Food System Map