Join Liz as she delves into a compelling conversation with Roger Carstens, the former Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs, who shares insights about heart, humanity, and leadership. Discover the profound impact of empathy and resilience in navigating the complex world of hostage negotiations. Carstens recounts his unique journey from growing up in Spokane, Washington to his vital role in reuniting families across the globe, reflecting on personal stories of bravery and love.

In this episode, explore the intricacies of international diplomacy, the essence of effective negotiation, and the incredible strength found in teamwork and empathy. Carstens shares his real-life experiences from his time at West Point to his tenure under different U.S. administrations, highlighting the collaborative efforts required to bring people home safely. Through his heartwarming and at times, challenging journey, Carstens illuminates the idea that leadership is not just a position but an action fueled by compassion and dedication.