S02E06 - Attila
S02E06 - AttilaUpdate: 2025-02-21
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The Throuple Throttle is engaged. Things are getting messy on the Severance floor and Jim and A.Ron are here to discuss it all. On this episode of Waffle Poddy, your unsevered hosts will dissect the relationship dynamics of Helly and Mark’s innies and outies. Irv might be a homewrecker. And Dylan…might be trying his best now?
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Yeah, I wasn't expecting like successful relationship dynamics to be modeled on the show, but like, you know, she's having a-- Mostly, I need a minute.
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Mark is at that space.
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They reconnect.
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They have a heart to heart.
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And they end up having sex.
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Welcome to the Waffle Potty, the officially unofficial podcast for severance on Apple TV plus some Jim.
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I may run.
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And today, we're back for season two episode six titled Attila.
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After watching this episode, hopefully, you're a student of history.
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You know what they're getting at here.
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Because I don't.
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Do you want to tell me if is there any behind these-- obviously, I know who Attila the Hun is.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Generally, but like, is it just a joke?
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Or is there something more there to dig into?
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Because I don't know.
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Ah, he's the King of the Huns.
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All right.
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He ruled the Hun Empire around the-- the Hun-- so around the fourth or fifth century-- Beats me.
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--one of the early kind of Visigoth-ish tribes that was rivaling the Romans for power.
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So maybe there's something there.
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Depends on what you make of the dinner conversation.
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Oh, I make a lot of it.
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That's something I'm really looking forward to talking about.
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First off, the battle I want to apologize for the sound of my voice.
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I've been really sick this whole week.
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I am suffering from severe reintegration sickness.
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My podcasty and my normally just live in two divergent lives.
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I try to put it back together.
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And you know, it all went bad on Groundhog's Day.
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And this is the result.
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But I'm here in spirit, if not fully in flesh.
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Yeah, so I'm going to be taking over the reading of the outline today.
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I do thank you around for putting that together mostly.
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I did a little bit of editing.
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But yeah, I'll take that over for you.
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So you can still have a voice about an hour or 45 into this podcast.
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I was really shredded after Yellowjacket's yesterday.
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So hopefully this will save it.
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And of course, this is the first episode.
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Just if we're doing all the housekeeping up front, the first episode where we're splitting it into feedback episode and main episode.
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So there is no feedback this episode.
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But send that stuff in because I think on Monday, Tuesday, next week, maybe we're recording the feedback episode for that.
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So yeah, get it in.
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Yeah, should be an extravaganza.
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And you can actually talk about this episode, which I think is going to go a lot better.
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Yeah, I am, it is, I mean, it's it's not nothing.
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There'd be one week in a rears on feedback.
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I mean, that's a lot of how, you know, you see feedback on comic books and stuff like that.
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It's always, you know, when they're printing the feedback, it's always from the previous issue, right?
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So it's not unheard of.
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But it's certainly more 21st century of the moment, new media to have it more.
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Oh, yeah.
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All right.
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Well, generally, what do you think about this episode?
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You mentioned some bombshells.
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Thrupples, thrupples, thrupples.
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I thought that they were just making a joke at Mrs.
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Cobell's expense.
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But oh, my God, they took the thrupple throttle and they put it to max.
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There's so many thrupples and potential thrupples going on in the show right now.
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Yeah.
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That's exciting.
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There's so many kind of potentially bombshell revelations or slips of tongue.
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And there's also a kind of conventional slips of tongue happening in the people's mouths and other body fluids being exchanged, you know,
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a deepening appreciation of the Milchek Huang relationship.
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Yeah, this is, this, this, this, again, if this feels like it's running downhill.
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And then we get to the point where, like, Helen at confronts Mark in that Chinese restaurant.
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Oh, boy.
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And I'm already like, man, this is crazy.
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And then when she, and I forgot that he knows about Jima.
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Mm hmm.
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Well, I didn't forget, but it wasn't from my mind.
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And when she drops Jima, I'm like, oh, my God, he knows about Jima.
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And this is now turning into like a cold-read situation.
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Oh, it's a plus television.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, no, I'm with you.
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I'm really appreciating.
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Like if the first season was kind of an exploration of the hellish nature of the severance procedure for the innings, this is sort of expanding it out one concentric circle to the relationship dynamics between,
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you know, everyone both inside and outside of this situation, I think they're doing a really good job.
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'Cause that was a big question that we had, like, how is this all going to?
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How would it work if they got into a relationship with an inny?
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And now you're introducing outies who are in relationships with inny's and vice versa.
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And it's really getting complicated and interesting.
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And I'm very much enjoying that part of this season.
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Yeah.
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And the acting is off the charts.
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I thought Zack Cherry is particularly good.
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He's been good at being actually brave and extremely funny and kind of even badass in his kind of nerdy way.
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But he had some real, I felt like range in this episode playing both his outie and his inny.
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And there's a lot of stuff.
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Hellian, yeah, like, you know, the Mark and Helly stuff, I think what the, just everybody's executing on an incredibly high level.
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And then again, that that thruppled dinner is just excellent actors with material that they must just relish in the twilight of their careers.
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And it's just, it's just a pleasure to watch.
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And then the mysteries keep unfolding further, right?
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I mean, we've, we've, you know, kind of not sealed off the goad hole, but the goad hole has been neglected for a little while.
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The goad hole has been quiescent.
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Does that how you pronounce that?
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It's, it's, it's, yeah, it's the online dormant.
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Did you know what that means?
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The number of these other sort of interesting wrinkles with births and with, with people, I don't know, spying on herb,
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there's a lot going on here that's, that's kind of extending it out, the mystery.
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But you know, the longer that goad hole stays dormant, the more that liquid hot magma goat pressure is building up underneath the plate tectonics.
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And it's just going to burst forth with goat explosion.
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A pyroclastic goat cloud running down the entire series.
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Yeah.
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Run for your lives.
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It's, it's going to be, it's going to be a cloud of liquefied super heated goat traveling at speeds up to 200 miles an hour.
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It's going to be bad situation.
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So I hope it let off a little goat pressure maybe next episode.
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Yeah, I mean, they're definitely going to come back to the goats.
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You don't have to use that whole team and get them on your side, roughly, vaguely, and then just don't introduce the whole team.
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You don't, you don't.
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The whole team, the whole, whole team, yeah.
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Orgwinn only Christie for that matter.
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But yeah, I do.
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It's a super exciting episode, super good episode, just all around.
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So surprise, surprise, I'm still in on this show.
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Yeah, you want to get right to it?
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Yeah, my voice gets out.
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Yeah, not yet, Aeron, come on.
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Barely started.
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Yeah, we started.
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We opened the episode with Mark emotionally relaying the latest integration vision he had of Miss Casey and Jima to Bregabi.
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And she does her best to reassure him that they'll eventually be together again.
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It really hits, you know, Adam Scott's performance here.
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He's like tears in his eyes.
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Like he's almost confessing, you know, does these feelings he's having and you know, but he's distressed 'cause she didn't recognize me and she's just babbling these nonsense things and she's still in there.
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You know, what's gonna happen to her?
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What did she make of her Gaby's answer about that?
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Is this where she just basically says she's essential, but has no further details, which to me says she doesn't really know why she's essential, just that she is?
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- It makes me wonder, and I don't think there's any answer to this, but it makes me wonder is Mark important because of her, his connection to Jima,
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or is Jima important because of her connection to Mark?
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- Or they both equally important.
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- Those things not the same.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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They're obviously playing with the idea of who's working on what side this episode.
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And we talked a lot about, you know, maybe Jima's, you know, intentionally severed as part of a plan to help Blooming because she was always,
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you know, part of Blooming, but like, I don't know.
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I'm not sure yet.
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- Did you, I also detected, and I don't know if this is just Mark being in the low-down bargaining stage, but we've never heard anything other than that Mark and Jima were in wedded bliss.
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But if you take his statements about his bargaining phase at face value, he was drinking maybe pretty heavily when they were together and was maybe not listening to all the things she was trying to tell him.
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- So what started that?
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Do you think that this is Mark just being hard on himself?
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Or do you think that this is actually implying that there was a deeper fracture that maybe other people like Devon and Rickon weren't aware of and it might explain some kind of alienation she might feel from him?
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'Cause I can't imagine that Jima would just sign up to be a Lumen's slave.
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- I don't know, unless she put Lumen all the way, you know?
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- Yeah.
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- No, it's a good question.
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And I don't think there's any way to know quite yet.
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But it doesn't apply.
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Yeah, he could just be beating himself up and making up things like misremembering facts that aren't in his favor to do that.
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But like-- - I need to drink mine.
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- I think that's interesting.
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- Yeah, in my mind, I think like the drinking stuff might have started before her.
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But then the question becomes what caused it in the first place, probably when Rickon joined the group.
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I imagine.
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- Well, we know they had some reproductive stress too, you know, I wonder if they tried for a shot.
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- Yeah.
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- I wonder if they saw eye to eye.
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'Cause we've only heard it from Mark's side.
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I wonder if they saw eye to eye or it was, you know, kind of like the inability could drive in there.
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- But not her because she was maybe a more stable person to begin with.
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She was the rock of the group, right?
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So-- - Yeah, I'm very curious to see what happens when we can reintegrate this relationship.
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- Yeah.
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So Dylan tells, Dylan, any Dylan here, tells Heli and Mark about herb's drawings and directions that he found last episode.
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He doesn't want to help retrieve them because he's trying to stay out of the lumen trouble.
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And they try and press him on why, but he has no answers for them.
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As Heli proposes immediate action, Mark triggers another integration episode by looking into the break room fridge.
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- I love that Heli's response about, well, you know, I've actually got my hall pass.
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I'll go get it.
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It's behind the poster of you actually being brave.
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- Jesus, Heli.
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- But that's Heli.
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Get really, get really going.
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I mean, look, this is a great thing he's doing.
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I was super worried last episode.
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The Dylan was going to just sit on it, hide all this stuff.
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Yeah, like I never heard of a map.
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What are you talking about?
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Dylan coming to them and telling them about this map is, that's a plus.
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Good job, Dylan.
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Like I get that you might not want to tell them everything and lose your privileges to your wife, but like he did the right thing here.
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And for Heli to give him shit about that really sucks.
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She doesn't know.
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- I know, but like.
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- That's the thing.
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- I think she's just like Dylan ball-busting, you know, 'cause she falls it up with like, what happened?
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Because, you know, she wants to go out and get it and Mark's kind of like, ah.
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She's like, what, did they sever your balls on the way down and help elevate it to?
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Like, I think she's just kind of like doing the Dylan thing, but she doesn't know that she's cutting so deep.
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- Right.
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- But bottom line is, Lumin has successfully driven a wedge in this relationship because the three remaining refiners aren't all together aligned on their goals.
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And I also wonder if Mark and Heli's relationship and Dylan being kind of secretive and being about his relationship with Gretchen, if that's gonna get worse before it gets better.
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- Yeah, it's possible.
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It seems like Mark and Heli are back on a similar page this episode, but who knows where that goes with Mark reintegrating?
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Like, that's gonna get super weird, right?
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Like, especially knowing now that he's like, slept, I, yeah, the sex situation is really complicating things.
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- Yeah, let's listen to analyze that.
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Does Mark care that he fucked, Heli, are, which Mark?
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- Like, out of my inner guard.
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- Obviously, Any Mark is all about it.
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Waving flags, getting on the bandstand.
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- But is Outie Mark a fully integrated Mark?
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'Cause I think there's a weird distinction to be made between those two characters as well.
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Like, Outie Mark probably wouldn't have given a shit.
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He might have said, "Oh, that's not me."
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You know, let Any Mark do whatever the hell he wants.
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But when you get integrated, now you're just, both of those are you, so.
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- I guess I should say, let's assume that he does know why would he care?
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'Cause it's not like he was living chaste.
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You know, he had sex with the midwife last season.
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- Yeah.
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- But that was before he knew that Gemma was alive again.
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Now, now he knows, and his Any has chosen again to have sex with Heli, so.
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- But was Any, and you can all, yeah.
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- And you can separate that and.
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- It's, it's mushy and complicated.
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- Yeah, I wonder what the church would say about that situation.
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I'll also start getting a pattern with these reintegration fits that he has.
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Is it seems like deja vu, kind of sensory deja vu.
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Like, when any does something as Outie does as a routine, like opening up a refrigerator door, bam.
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When he's like walking down the hallway in his apartment, bait, you know, like these things are like the, everything just snaps together for a brief second.
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But that's really cool.
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- Yeah, yeah, they're doing a good job with that.
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I also wonder if there's going to be a situation where Any Mark is inadvertently sabotaged by Outie Mark's integration stuff.
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Because Any Mark has no idea what's happening.
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He's just starting to see flashes.
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And he doesn't even probably know that this is Outie Mark's memory.
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He's just like seeing crazy shit like Irv was.
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So he might accidentally give up something that he doesn't intend to give up to a mill trick.
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- He's kind of, I do wonder if the Helena checkup at the Chinese place was prompted by, you know, the Miss Wong examination because he was damn close to spilling some kind of beans doing that.
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- Yeah.
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- Maybe.
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- And the nose bleed, like if the, I know the board officially denies reintegration exists, but they have to know.
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And they probably know the symptoms.
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And especially if they as heavily implied by this episode, Jamie can actually develop the chip, the medical technology.
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- Yeah.
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I don't know.
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- All right, Milchick meets with Wong to subtly threaten the fellowship that she's on unless she demonstrates she has whatever winter tide potential is by growing the hell up.
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Winter tide.
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Winter tide is, - It's the new fragrance from tide with pine and evergreen.
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It's a Christmas edition for their detergent.
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- Yeah, I guess it just largely means winter.
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- That's true.
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- This has got to be a potential meaning.
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- So this implies that she's in some kind of lumen youth program, right?
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- Training, some kind.
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I'm trying to, 'cause the other thing I was trying to think of is like, who could she be the child of?
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That we, 'cause it would be maximally interesting if she's the child of someone that we've already known.
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Now that we know that she's got connections and she's trying to do things inside the, you know.
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I wonder if this is connected to Harmony Cobals, Egan School, if she's a kind of like a Harmony type person who's been adopted and indoctrinated or whatnot.
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I saw an interesting theory that might tie into this, but I don't buy it, is that she is one of the first born child of the Senator's wife, Gabby.
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But like, she's not Asian and neither is he.
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She's more, she's, I looked up her heritage, I didn't, I didn't usually Asian at all, but yeah, turns out she's like Mexican, Native American, Spanish, Basque,
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but not quite far east, so I don't know, but there's, they're both, and this is a very human thing.
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They are both kind of holding each other's careers by the throat threatening them.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, Wong's actively reporting his discresions or in discresions rather to Lumen, and he's threatening to pull her fellowship card or she grows the fuck up.
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I thought it was interesting when he said I'll be busy, okay, there's a couple of things I wanna talk about here.
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I'll be busy the rest of the day and she's like, oh boy, I get the, and he goes, you can sit at your regular desk.
00:21:52
I think she was going to try to sit at Melchek's desk.
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Mm-hmm, and he's like, absolutely fucking not.
00:21:59
Which, okay, considering the events of this episode, what the fuck is going on?
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What, they are all about, they're getting this file refined, and there's one scene at the middle of the episode where they just show the MDR room completely empty,
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because everyone's involved in these intense trouble situations.
00:22:23
What the fuck is Wong doing?
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I'm in Melchek's bettering himself.
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He's collating things with paperclips.
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It's a fine use of his time.
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But like, either this is phenomenal levels of stupidity and lack of oversight, or this is some kind of intentional thing they're doing.
00:22:41
It doesn't feel intentional.
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Or they're just following the rule of cool and hoping that we're so caught up in the narratives and all the emotional stuff that we miss, how just kind of silly.
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'Cause last year, they got away with it because Kobel was obviously gone rogue.
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She was doing things that bored it, no bad.
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She's doing things.
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But now with everyone including James Egan breathing down their neck and monitoring them on like a daily basis, how can you just fritter away an entire workday?
00:23:13
Yeah, no, it seems like they're understaffed and overworked.
00:23:18
And Melchek being, I think Melchek being off on this mission of personal growth is foolish at this time because of how important Cold Harbor apparently is.
00:23:28
He should just be dedicated one.
00:23:30
Like leave your speech patterns for later, man.
00:23:35
Just figure out how to get them to do their job right now.
00:23:39
Lock them in there, get this work done, stand in there.
00:23:42
Stand in there watching them, saying get to refining.
00:23:47
Yeah, next quarter he's gonna be working on, being able to successfully prioritize his work effort because he's-- I hope so.
00:23:59
He's doing the, it seems like a low-hanging fruit.
00:24:03
Yeah, for sure.
00:24:04
And not getting the, you know, it's like-- Hey, if you left the report for once a meeting, say Natalie, Mr.
00:24:11
Drummond, real quick.
00:24:13
If you had to rank one, two, three in importance, my over-verbacity and my lack of proper paper clip application or getting marked to refine this fucking file.
00:24:30
That'd be like, that'd be like a two, one, three, right?
00:24:35
And they'd be like, what the fuck?
00:24:38
No, it's a three, two, one.
00:24:40
You know what, get back in here.
00:24:41
We got another six hours and go three, three.
00:24:44
We don't give a shit about the other two.
00:24:46
Do that on your own time, man.
00:24:47
Get the three done, yeah.
00:24:50
No, it's crazy that he's not more focused on that.
00:24:52
And I guess it shows in Milchuk a deficiency.
00:24:57
He either doesn't understand or doesn't care that the most important thing here is to get cold Harbor Dumb, but they've told him.
00:25:05
So he knows.
00:25:07
Yeah, but some of that stuff-- Yeah, but some of that stuff-- In disfung-- I'll say, I won't even say cult.
00:25:11
I'll say in dysfunctional organizations.
00:25:13
'Cause God knows I've seen in Fortune 500 companies on down, but in dysfunctional organizations, when management doesn't really have an idea of what the key performance metrics are and how to keep an eye on them,
00:25:27
you'll have ridiculous things where managers obsess about the things that are certainly nice and enhance professionalism or everything, but do not make dollars, do not make the clients happy,
00:25:39
do not pay the bills, at the expense of the other stuff.
00:25:42
Because for whatever reason, upper management can see the stupid bullshit compliance, you know?
00:25:49
But they can't see the fact that we're not getting any headway done in the actual work.
00:25:55
Sure.
00:25:56
And I wonder if Lumin is a bit like that too, you know?
00:26:00
Yeah, I mean, knowing that it must have been Miss Swang who reported him on these other things, you kind of wonder if he's not trying to bulletproof himself for the next time,
00:26:13
like, 'cause she's got it for his job, for sure.
00:26:15
I mean, Jesus, can you imagine her running the floor?
00:26:18
I can't.
00:26:19
No, she might be more of a dictator than any of their previous bosses down here.
00:26:26
She might actually get the job done, but boy, taking her seriously would be a real challenge.
00:26:31
If I was going to be there.
00:26:32
That's what I'm saying.
00:26:32
She don't got a grainer.
00:26:33
If she didn't have a milkshake and a coat like, yeah, just again, a dictator that you can just grab by the face and push down onto the floor and they can't,
00:26:44
and in that attack position, their hands can't even reach you.
00:26:47
Like that's not a great dictator.
00:26:50
You need a, you need the army.
00:26:52
You need the, you need the ass kicker standing behind you and what, yeah, they needed, where's their new Mr.
00:26:56
Grainer?
00:26:57
Speaking of, yeah, where is man in the hallway?
00:27:00
Episode one, shot one of this second season was man in the hallway.
00:27:05
We have no idea what that was about yet.
00:27:08
Six episodes.
00:27:08
Wait a second.
00:27:09
Did this come up on, this might have come up with my, the Pete Pepper thing I did last week.
00:27:15
By the way, we're doing that every week.
00:27:17
Every Friday night, to join one of us with Pete Peppers at nine p.m.
00:27:22
Eastern to have a long form discussion about this week's episode.
00:27:26
He mentioned that the casting for the man in the hallway was the exact same person as the evil Mark Twinn animatronic.
00:27:34
- From the Orbo.
00:27:37
- Yeah.
00:27:38
- So that's a pretty good indication and that's just some kind of reflection of Mark.
00:27:43
Now, what does that fucking mean?
00:27:45
Or are they suggesting that there really is this kind of fake mark working with Lumen in some capacity?
00:27:53
I don't know.
00:27:54
But.
00:27:55
- Yeah, they haven't addressed that at all.
00:27:56
- Yeah, the show.
00:27:57
- It's a very confusing thing for sure.
00:27:59
- So I don't know what they're doing with it.
00:28:03
It's before he started the integration process.
00:28:06
So it can't really be something where they're messing with his memories.
00:28:11
It almost has to be something real.
00:28:13
But I thought that guy was gonna be greater eventually, the new grainer.
00:28:17
He's not.
00:28:18
- Yeah, same.
00:28:19
Same.
00:28:20
- All right, let's move on to, we go to the bathroom here where Mark confesses to Helly that he had sex with Helena on their Orbo, making them a non-consensual,
00:28:31
thrupple stuns.
00:28:34
She walks away to process things.
00:28:36
I would say more than stuns.
00:28:38
She's kind of devastated.
00:28:43
- She's, yeah.
00:28:45
- She's feeling real shitty about this whole thing, which we'll kind of see later.
00:28:50
- This is kind of like the equivalent of waking up from a dream where your partner has cheated on you and being hurt and mad about it.
00:29:01
Like it's just a purely emotional reaction that doesn't have any rational basis because everything that she was begging and pleading for in the last episode about it wasn't me and you couldn't even, I could not, it's like it applies doubly so to Mark.
00:29:13
And I liked that this wasn't because when this first happened, I'm like, "Oh God, I do not want to multi-episode arc of Mark and Helly being kind of distant and cold and combative."
00:29:24
And turns out, didn't need to worry about that for longer than 15 minutes or so.
00:29:29
But I feel like it's a natural reaction, especially when that idea wasn't even on a radar.
00:29:34
When Mark said I had sex with her, she's like, she assumed Jimma, she's like, "What in a wellness session?"
00:29:41
So it just blew her mind and we already know how she feels about Helena.
00:29:46
And this is one more thing she's done to Helly to fuck with her.
00:29:51
- Yeah, no, that's the thing I like about it most.
00:29:53
I guess it's how natural all this feels.
00:29:56
I think Mark weighted the exact appropriate amount of time to tell her he didn't stall.
00:30:02
He wasn't like trying to avoid like, "Oh, am I gonna tell her this, whatever, whatever."
00:30:07
He was like, "Oh shit, he was doing the same thing."
00:30:10
Where he's like, "I don't know how to feel about this.
00:30:12
I don't really understand what the hell just happened."
00:30:16
He's stunned.
00:30:18
- He's been violated.
00:30:19
- We didn't make a big deal out of that 'cause Mark's a guy, probably, and what's 2025, we've been harping on this shit for 15 years.
00:30:27
But yeah, Mark was violated.
00:30:29
Mark was raped.
00:30:31
- And so I was very impressed with the pacing of all this stuff.
00:30:36
Like they didn't, well, there's no way, no world which he runs up to her as she stumbles out of the elevator and says, "By the way, we had sex.
00:30:43
I thought it was you, but it wasn't."
00:30:44
Like that would have been insane, right?
00:30:46
But also to wait another two episodes is like, dude, now you're just, you're avoiding it and you're going to cause more strife when you finally do explain it.
00:30:58
- Yeah.
00:30:59
- I thought this was just like a perfect amount of time.
00:31:01
One episode.
00:31:03
- Plus it gives Melchick some to hold over your head.
00:31:06
Like, if you want to cow you in a conversation, he just has a subtly hint to that and undermine your relationship with Helle.
00:31:13
And so yeah, you can believe the defeng.
00:31:14
Do you think that Melchick will go to fire that gun and find that it's unloaded later?
00:31:21
That would be pretty delicious.
00:31:23
- He might, he might, I don't get the impression that they are under heavy surveillance right now.
00:31:29
So I don't think anything.
00:31:30
- Oh, why?
00:31:32
Yeah, no, it's a fair question.
00:31:34
Why are they not?
00:31:36
- Yeah.
00:31:36
And I still think they were under some sort of surveillance.
00:31:40
I don't know if it's down to like seeing them have sex and the plastic room or not, but we'll find out.
00:31:47
And Helle is very smart and she's seeing what Lumen's trying to do.
00:31:50
They're trying to fracture this very successful, rebellious team.
00:31:55
And even as she is numb and shock and horror, that's what she says.
00:31:59
This is another tactic.
00:32:01
But your head...
00:32:02
- I think she's a pretty strong...
00:32:04
- Actually.
00:32:05
I think that's, that may have been part of it on Lumen's part that might have been the reason, but on Hellenas part, that's not the reason.
00:32:14
Hellenas down there, I think trying to experience whatever relationship they developed, Mark and Helle.
00:32:24
- You know that I've been on that same wavelength this whole time.
00:32:28
But I started wondering in this episode if we go back and watch those scenes when we had the full context of everything, if instead of longing for human connection,
00:32:39
she's actually plotting revenge.
00:32:42
Like all the shit in her perspective, The Helle is put her through, threatened to cut off her fingers, almost killing her.
00:32:50
Like the one thing The Helle has got down there is this relationship with Mark.
00:32:53
What if I just took it?
00:32:56
- Yeah.
00:32:57
- That could be it still.
00:32:59
- Not the reason.
00:33:00
- Because I'd end up with...
00:33:01
- Yeah.
00:33:02
- This is the Chinese restaurant performance.
00:33:04
Like, but I don't know.
00:33:06
Wait, we can talk about that when we get there.
00:33:08
- Yeah, how much of a performance is it?
00:33:09
Well, we'll see.
00:33:11
All right, Milchick in his secret supply room practices collating with paperclips.
00:33:15
I thought at first maybe this was vindictive paperclipping.
00:33:18
Maybe he was putting a thousand on there the wrong way and then how long put them all on the other way.
00:33:25
No, it seems like it was practice.
00:33:27
- It's an insane scene.
00:33:28
- I love the, I don't know if this is a joke or is just because the sound design, when he pops open, that thing of paperclips, it's like hermetically sealed, like, you know,
00:33:39
'cause I like like if...
00:33:40
- Dr.
00:33:41
Krasher in his balls.
00:33:42
- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like that.
00:33:43
I was going to go with the Star Trek and the next generation reference.
00:33:45
But yeah, tennis balls.
00:33:47
- Sure.
00:33:48
- They still pack tennis balls and under pressure?
00:33:51
- It's, you know.
00:33:53
- I have no idea.
00:33:53
- It's tapping up into tennis balls in about 30 years, but I it's been 10 for me.
00:33:58
- I mean, but yeah, just did everything about it, just a seriousness and I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?
00:34:05
And then as soon as I saw that there are paperclips and he had two stacks of paper, I'm like, absolute maniac is going to collate a ream of paper just to practice paperclipping.
00:34:17
- Yeah.
00:34:18
- Now, it's psychotic.
00:34:20
- Milchick, once he got the note, he can be like, oh, just do it from the front every single time.
00:34:24
- Right.
00:34:25
- You got to practice 500 times.
00:34:28
And he knows how many reams he actually did 'cause by the time he's done his hands are shaking from the collation.
00:34:35
- Yeah.
00:34:37
No, he's trying to get that muscle memory.
00:34:40
You know, he'd do something enough times.
00:34:42
You're gonna, you only have to think about it.
00:34:45
- I guess so.
00:34:46
I feel like I've applied a paperclip maybe a hundred times in my life.
00:34:50
Maybe a hundred times.
00:34:52
- And I still got those were 15 years ago.
00:34:56
- And you know what?
00:34:58
You put me, give me a stack of papers and a paperclip.
00:35:01
I'll put it on right now.
00:35:02
Muscle memory's still there, riding a bike.
00:35:04
- Exactly.
00:35:05
- So we will test that theory at some point.
00:35:10
But for now, let's move on to Dylan and Gretchen having another any-outie work date and the requested hug from Dylan turns into a surprise kiss from Gretchen.
00:35:21
- Oh yeah.
00:35:23
Our second thruple of the episode enters the chat.
00:35:27
- Yeah, and it gets more complicated later in the episode too when she starts lying about it.
00:35:33
- You really are getting a full appreciation for what a, what was that fucker on the last season of Fargo?
00:35:42
The guy who was married to the sheriff lady and he was like spending all her money on golfing and trying to be professional golfer.
00:35:51
And Dylan is kind of that, a less douchey version of that guy, but that's still pretty douchey.
00:36:01
- Yeah.
00:36:01
Yeah, he's doing a whole bunch of hobby stuff and trying to find himself based on, you know, her having holding on this job.
00:36:09
- But it's like, I don't know, maybe he's more likable, but he's still douchey like, you know, Gretchen here is supporting the entire family.
00:36:17
I guess Dylan has now finally got a job, got a job back.
00:36:21
But he's wanting to buy a new car, he took scuba lessons.
00:36:26
- Yeah, what the hell, man?
00:36:27
- Went into woodworking, which is not a cheap hobby to get into unless you're doing like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna whittle, I'm gonna get a couple blocks and I'm gonna start whittling and maybe I'll buy a plane and I'll chisel and I'll start chisel.
00:36:40
You got to spend some real money, you need space.
00:36:42
It's gonna occupy space.
00:36:44
Have you looked at how much fucking hardwood costs?
00:36:47
- Yeah, yeah, actually wanting to build something that's not Canadian pine.
00:36:52
Also, have you seen how much Canadian pine?
00:36:55
- He's getting a garage beer making.
00:36:57
- He's like, I mean, every time I've seen somebody on a television, what?
00:37:04
- Like, one of those things would be harmless.
00:37:06
If that was your splash out for, or if they had the money to burn, if they were like well off and you want to indulge your things, you're taking care of your kids and you're keeping your mate satisfied,
00:37:16
who gives a shit.
00:37:17
But none of those things are happening and Dylan, not only is oblivious to it, it's like he's like a, he's like a spoiled teenager asking his mom like you know, like pulling this thing that he's always worked for him.
00:37:30
And really maybe not like how he Dylan.
00:37:33
- Yeah, yeah, I'm with him.
00:37:35
I don't know much about him, but everything I'm finding out about him is like, oh, okay, he's, he's not just pathetic.
00:37:41
Like, it might be too harsh to call him pathetic.
00:37:44
It seems like he's depressed.
00:37:46
I think that might be inaccurate.
00:37:48
'Cause if you look at like how the other examples and television of people getting into weird hobbies, I'm thinking like Hank Schrader.
00:37:57
Hank didn't get into mineral collecting or garage beer making 'cause he was happy.
00:38:04
- I think he was always a garage beer maker, which is an appropriately acceptable hobby when he got into minerals.
00:38:09
- The minerals.
00:38:10
- The minerals too, yeah.
00:38:12
That's when you knew he was depressed and angry.
00:38:16
So yeah, Dylan, hmm.
00:38:18
I don't know, we'll find out more about him, I'm sure, but for now I like any Dylan better.
00:38:23
- Yeah, nice question.
00:38:26
- And I think it's sweet that like, Dylan's not trying to undermine.
00:38:30
Like he's trying to.
00:38:31
- Sure.
00:38:34
- You're like, buck up out the deal.
00:38:35
He's like, you know, maybe he's just trying to find his thing that he excels out, like I do down here.
00:38:39
And this is the scene where I thought Zack Cherry really shined in terms of like, 'cause I've seen him in a bunch of different things.
00:38:46
Turns out I was watching Shang Chi last weekend.
00:38:51
He shows up in the iconic bus fight as the guy who's filming the entire thing.
00:38:58
And he's very funny.
00:38:59
But like, I've seen him in the, he's never been anything but just funny.
00:39:04
And surprise, surprise.
00:39:05
Another person with acting chops can bring the emotional thunder too, 'cause there's something very sweet about this childlike sincerity with the kind of tears in his eyes.
00:39:14
Like I wish we could be together all the time.
00:39:16
Well, we are.
00:39:17
Well, no, we're not.
00:39:18
- Yeah.
00:39:19
- No, you feel for him.
00:39:21
And you kind of feel for Gretchen too.
00:39:23
Like she's seeing maybe what Dylan, howdy Dylan used to be, what they were when they first met.
00:39:30
And she wants that, she misses that.
00:39:33
But I don't know if this is the way to get it back.
00:39:35
Just gonna put that out there.
00:39:37
Then I do think you're on to something about there being depression or, you know, like you feel like a loser fuck up.
00:39:43
And especially in, you know, this even in this day and age in this country, if you're the man and you're not winning the bread.
00:39:50
And a failure.
00:39:52
- It's not just like he decided, they decided together that he's gonna stay home and not be the breadwinner.
00:39:58
No, he's tried many times over to get jobs and nothing is stuck.
00:40:03
He's never found anything he's good at it.
00:40:05
And it might be that.
00:40:06
It might be that like he doesn't feel like he's ever found his place in life.
00:40:11
Not even just, oh, well, I can't hold jobs for very long.
00:40:15
Like he doesn't have anything that he feels is his own.
00:40:18
- I will say he could compensate by just being more present at home.
00:40:22
Like maybe keep in track of your kids, your medication and whether their cookies need to be baked so that she literally doesn't have to do fucking everything including conjugal visits with your any self.
00:40:33
- Yep.
00:40:34
- See how that progresses.
00:40:37
- I just want to be the first time I said it too, but I also find it really sweet like, 'cause these are like middle-aged actors, but they're getting to pretend like teenagers,
00:40:48
you know?
00:40:49
Like that's what this energy is where Zach's like, oh, you think we could try that hugging thing again?
00:40:53
And they do a seated hug for some bizarre reason.
00:40:57
But it is very tentative.
00:41:00
He's shy and she's kind of shy and they're feeling each other rout.
00:41:05
And these aren't two people who are experienced, not only at love making, but love making to each other.
00:41:12
- Right.
00:41:13
- They're doing it for the first time.
00:41:14
And there's something really sweet about every instance of this happening in this episode, which is I was, you'd ask me how many thruples that we'd have got, let alone how many thruples would either consummate or get the like second base.
00:41:27
I'd have been like, oh, 0.5, two.
00:41:30
I'd be going on three with her.
00:41:32
- Maybe two and a half thruples.
00:41:34
- Yeah, scoundrel bird.
00:41:36
- Uh-huh.
00:41:37
Yeah, we'll see.
00:41:39
All right, Mark and Helly both ponder their relationship while she's on her walk until they mutually decide to find each other and run into themselves in the hallway.
00:41:48
Helly tells Mark that after reflection, other than feeling angry and used by Helena in general, she's also jealous that Mark got to, or that Helly got to have Mark rather than her.
00:41:59
Then she cordially advised him to take her to Pound Town, which in this case is a dimly lit room full of plastic wrapped cubicles.
00:42:07
I love this.
00:42:09
- Yeah.
00:42:10
- Pound Town has gone to hell since the hurricane blew through.
00:42:13
It's just all boarded up, plastic everywhere.
00:42:16
- I love him, this is good.
00:42:18
They're making spare tents or tents from like, you know, the spare desks that have been, kind of in the background, all.
00:42:27
- No, they're making them, just-- - They're making a blanket fort out of cubicles and plastic shoes.
00:42:32
- This is such a teenage thing to do.
00:42:33
It's like, yeah.
00:42:34
We gotta go make our little bit of privacy here in a world that affords us none.
00:42:40
I think it's great.
00:42:41
Also, hardly any foreplay, which is very much teenage thing to do.
00:42:45
Yeah, I think they really nail the experience of two teens kind of getting it for the first time.
00:42:53
- Yeah, and I want to go back to the show.
00:42:58
I want to go back to this part where they're pondering too, because there's this really amazing shot of like Mark's alone, MDRing, and he's like holding his head in his hands on the left side of frame, while on the left side of frame or on the right side of the frame,
00:43:11
there's this like this severely undershot image of the freshman flute trophy, just kind of grinning maniacally and spinning in place.
00:43:19
It's like, you know, the old lumen him versus the new, helly him and it's pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty good, pretty good camera work.
00:43:31
And yeah, I just love, man, so many shows and movies generate tension by having people just not talk about things.
00:43:43
- Yup.
00:43:44
- And like I said, I was dreading that they would pull this out because that's what a lot of shows would do, a lot of good shows do, and I hate it every fucking time.
00:43:51
But these people, I mean, yeah, I wasn't expecting like successful relationship dynamics to be modeled on the show, but like, you know, she's having a bit of a,
00:44:02
I need to some minute.
00:44:02
Mark is at that space, they reconnect, they have a heart to heart, and they never have sex.
00:44:08
I mean, that's how you resolve an argument.
00:44:10
That's how me and Jim do it every time.
00:44:14
- I was speaking of every time.
00:44:18
Is there something interesting here where Helena/Helly have both had their first times with Mark, right?
00:44:28
They've each slept with Mark for the first time.
00:44:31
So now they have two of those.
00:44:32
If they are reintegrated, this is almost like a cheat code for getting two first times with someone.
00:44:38
- Right.
00:44:39
- Where like, now she'll have the memory of doing it with Mark for the first time twice, which is crazy.
00:44:46
- Yeah, and there's also the dynamic of like, Helena pulled Mark's V card, but then Mark pulled Helly's V card.
00:44:53
- Oh my God, this gets so complicated so fast.
00:44:58
- Yeah.
00:44:59
There's also, there's a, there's a, you know, 'cause she's talking about, you know, she's talking about how she's mad that this woman who like controls her and controls this whole company and controls their business also got to have something that I didn't,
00:45:18
and she finished her rant, and besides, she dresses me each morning like a baby.
00:45:24
Like, I don't think that's what Helena's doing.
00:45:26
I don't think she's sending her down there and deliberately unsexy, alluring things.
00:45:30
I think I always thought Helly just looks like a pretty professional woman going in the clock or worked eight a day.
00:45:35
- Yeah, no, I took that to me and like, she dresses her as if she were a baby, not in baby clothes.
00:45:42
But also for, 'cause all Helly knows when she went to her body, she's in this gorgeous evening drown, a gown with all this jewelry and her makeup and like,
00:45:52
I wonder what Helly felt like to see that in a mirror, like, oh my God, this is, it's like, cat and this Everdeen in the Hunger Games.
00:45:59
I got kid-dapped and scrubbed and quaffed and fitted and painted and all that stuff.
00:46:05
And so I wonder if she, there is, I think you're right.
00:46:08
It's the idea that she dresses me like a baby.
00:46:11
- Yeah, I'm like I'm a child and then sends me off to school or whatever.
00:46:17
- And Mark's such a horny teenager because he's concerned with Helly, but when he realizes what she's getting at and he gets that big smile on his face.
00:46:25
- The others to describe their time together in a tent.
00:46:30
- I'm like, no, come on, man.
00:46:33
- Yeah.
00:46:34
- I mean, he's like, again, for, I mean, we keep on some teenager, but more like a four-year-old, right?
00:46:39
Or even a two-year-old.
00:46:42
- Yeah, I go with teenagers.
00:46:43
They're having the rebellious streak.
00:46:45
- Right.
00:46:46
- Yeah.
00:46:47
- Against Luke.
00:46:48
- But the other thing is like, obviously the contrast between the ultra-romantic setting is tint and the winter and there's a heat.
00:46:56
Like it's almost having sex in a teepee on the planes and the winter with a fire raging the background and they got these ultra-high-quality lumensheets and bedding and pillows and here,
00:47:10
they're just rolling around on drop cloth, plastic drop cloth.
00:47:15
- Yeah.
00:47:16
- But.
00:47:17
- It's uncomfortable.
00:47:18
- Which thing would Mark enjoy more, you know?
00:47:22
I do wonder objectively which one Mark enjoyed more.
00:47:25
- Yeah, I don't know.
00:47:27
Maybe we'll find out next episode.
00:47:30
Imagine he enjoyed both of them equally.
00:47:31
I, yeah, especially when you're a teenager, it doesn't matter where you're doing it.
00:47:37
- Yeah.
00:47:38
- It literally makes no difference.
00:47:39
You could be doing it on a jagged rock poking into your back the entire time and you don't.
00:47:45
- Oh yeah.
00:47:46
- I've had sex a lot of places in my 20s that I would not count in my late 40s now.
00:47:50
I'd be like, no fucking way.
00:47:52
It's not worth the thrown out back in the next day.
00:47:54
But we need to find that work-life balance.
00:47:59
We'll be right back.
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- But this isn't incredibly sweet.
00:49:19
Just how innocent they both are.
00:49:21
They're just like shy and they're giggling and they confess that they're both nervous about it and you know, Mark checks to make sure she's still everything's all good.
00:49:35
And except the foreplay.
00:49:37
And you know, it's like, again, these are middle-aged people.
00:49:40
But it's not like Steve Carell is a middle-aged guy having sex in a 40-year-old virgin.
00:49:45
But it's not, doesn't it feel like that?
00:49:48
It feels a lot more like it's, you know, kind of just wholesome, pure, just very sweet experience.
00:49:54
- Yeah.
00:49:55
- Yeah, for sure.
00:49:57
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All paperclicks, paperclips, a fixed front-to-back properly.
00:50:06
He then tackles his next personal review flaw, his verbosity.
00:50:10
By simplifying his language as he stares himself in a mirror, willing himself to grow.
00:50:15
Grow.
00:50:16
- Yeah, this is an insane scene.
00:50:20
(laughing)
00:50:22
Remember that scene in what season of Ted Lasso was?
00:50:27
It was a two where Nate was starting to go bad and we started realizing how badly he hates himself.
00:50:33
And he's like looking to the window or looks to himself in a mirror and he like spits at himself.
00:50:37
And I think he laughs himself.
00:50:39
I got a lot of that same energy that he's, you know, delivering his flowering, you know, when he's talking to Miss Huang, the you must eradicate from your essence this childish folly and he slowly simplifies it.
00:50:52
But he's kind of talking to himself.
00:50:55
- Totally.
00:50:56
Yeah, he's telling himself to grow.
00:50:58
Get better, get stronger.
00:51:00
Yeah, I do think it'll be funny to see if he becomes monosolabic on the next episode or something.
00:51:09
If someone comes into his office, he'll just tell them yes or no or get out or.
00:51:15
- There's our sound like people from Idiocracy just totally, yeah.
00:51:20
- Everything's out of fourth like USA today, front page, everything's is out of fifth grade level.
00:51:25
- Yep, maybe use the effort in the last, that'd be nice.
00:51:29
- Yeah.
00:51:30
- Yeah, but I don't know.
00:51:31
It seems like it takes a great effort for him to get his language down to something more simple.
00:51:37
So I think he's gonna still struggle with it.
00:51:42
I don't think the old mill trick is gone.
00:51:44
- Such an intense scene 'cause he ramped up the intensity of every single iteration until the end, there was almost like this release.
00:51:52
You know, like it's more and more intense, more and more loathing and contempt.
00:51:58
And then when he finally, the last grow he gives, it just kind of like leaves his body.
00:52:03
The other thing I clocked is, and I was wondering if you did too, is like he backs himself into a partial scripture quotation.
00:52:12
- Oh yeah, yeah.
00:52:14
And he says, you must abandon the childish things.
00:52:17
That's a pretty good paraphrasing of 1 Corinthians 13-11.
00:52:21
- Yeah, for sure.
00:52:22
- I wonder if that's intentional 'cause there's obviously a lot of spiritual religious imagery here.
00:52:29
And there's nothing.
00:52:33
- There's some kind of graduation kind of thing.
00:52:34
- Yeah, and also it's like there's nothing that connects lumen to Christianity.
00:52:39
Like they're not a, they're their own thing, man.
00:52:42
- I don't know that they believe in God or if they do, it's here.
00:52:47
- Yeah.
00:52:48
Yeah, and the episode sort of makes a weird, like I don't know, a slight connection there with Burt, where he says, Jesus Christ led me to lumen,
00:52:58
but of course it's not anything that lumen's involved with with the church.
00:53:04
It's just that's happened to be.
00:53:07
- Unless he was a CEO, a lumen 20 years ago.
00:53:10
- Oh, yeah, we don't know.
00:53:12
We don't know, we'll talk about that.
00:53:14
But Heli and Mark head back to the department with obvious sex hair and clothing, all smiles until Mark's nose starts to bleed.
00:53:22
This sins in the first aid, where Ms.
00:53:24
Huang attempts to treat him while he has another waking reintegration moment.
00:53:28
And this snaps us back to Mark's basement as Brigabee tries to further his integration process.
00:53:32
She wants to try something a little more invasive but Mark storms out of their session.
00:53:36
- Yeah, it was like, Brigabee can be this way, right?
00:53:41
They were talking about on the official pod last week about their dynamic and how they're kind of like the odd couple here.
00:53:48
But even I, as much as I want to see Mark integrated, as much as Mark wants to integrate it, when she just starts like (laughs)
00:53:56
crying his crack open in the back of it.
00:53:58
You know, just like, hey, I'm just gonna do this.
00:54:00
Like you're on board and he's just like, you know what, fucking no, I need to go eat.
00:54:05
Yeah, this is insane to me.
00:54:08
Also, I'm gonna say there are very few inconsistencies I experienced watching this show.
00:54:14
But this felt like one to me, Brigabee saying, we need to enhance speed up the process.
00:54:21
I'm like, weren't, wasn't it you just an episode of Go that said, now we need to take this very, very slow.
00:54:26
- Do you think that's so wrong to me?
00:54:29
- That somehow she knows that they're on a clock too.
00:54:33
That she's got to get Mark reintegrated before they get this file finished.
00:54:38
- Maybe.
00:54:39
- Yeah.
00:54:40
- That's the only thing because you're right, dude.
00:54:42
- 'Cause she would know that last episode too, I would think.
00:54:44
- Yeah.
00:54:47
Or maybe as, I mean, she's just getting like, she's got what finished line fever, you know, she sees the end and she's kind of getting tunnel vision for all of it.
00:54:57
- Or maybe he's progressed to a stage where now if they don't speed it up, he's gonna be, they could have explained this better.
00:55:04
- That change of pace, let's just say that.
00:55:07
- Yeah.
00:55:07
- I was really impressed by the moves of any Mark down here.
00:55:12
Audi Mark seems like a smooth motherfucker, which we'll talk about later when he's not drunk and deligerent.
00:55:19
But like the way, you know, 'cause they're walking back, like you said, a talsled hair.
00:55:24
They've had their afternoon delight and they're all smiles and she asked, was it different with me?
00:55:30
But just why the fuck would you ask that, helly?
00:55:32
What, what, you know?
00:55:34
What is the answer you want there?
00:55:36
- And instead of answering her, he just kind of like gently pushes her against the hallway and lays a smoldering kiss on her.
00:55:44
And also smears blood all over her face, but you know, he didn't know his nose was bleeding.
00:55:49
I thought that was a really good reveal too to show on her face and have him express concern.
00:55:55
He's like, oh no, you're bleeding.
00:55:57
And then when she's like, no, it's actually your nose and we as an audience who know what this means, we're like, oh my god.
00:56:04
Oh my god, he's peedying.
00:56:05
- He's in trouble, yep.
00:56:07
- He's on the stage of peedying.
00:56:10
- Yeah, which makes it even scarier when he's gonna go, you know, all out when they're going to enhance the speed up the process.
00:56:18
- Do you think that Miss Wong is clocking anything weird here and the examination she does because he is acting weird as fuck?
00:56:26
- If so, she's hiding it very well.
00:56:28
I felt like every time he acted really weird and there was a potential for her to raise an eyebrow, she just kept right on with her business.
00:56:35
So, I don't think so, but she probably should be picking up on this stuff.
00:56:41
It is a little weird, especially his, there's an information out there about integration.
00:56:47
Yeah, because-- - That's what I'm saying.
00:56:49
- If they know any of the symptoms, he's exhibiting all of them.
00:56:52
- Is that why Lumen is so interested in employees' health and that like all coughing and stuff has to be reported because they do have some kind of coat, you know, like up high, they have a list of integration sickness symptoms.
00:57:05
- Okay.
00:57:06
- And there's like a page in the manager handbook that says if an employee starts coughing, nose bleeds, seizures, disassociation, call up or management immediately.
00:57:17
Like, I could see that, I could definitely see that.
00:57:20
- I could too, yeah, we'll find out what Wong does about it, I guess soon enough.
00:57:26
But then Irv arrives for his date with Bert, and his husband Fields.
00:57:33
And Bert tells Irv how his personal connection with Jesus Christ led him to Lumen.
00:57:38
And maybe let's a giant bomb slip in the process.
00:57:42
- Third, Thrupple, baby.
00:57:45
- Yep.
00:57:47
Thrupple up.
00:57:47
Found it funny that Irv's Audi also uses a similar Moustache comb.
00:57:54
- You think they let him take his own Moustache comb into work?
00:58:00
- That's a good fucking question.
00:58:02
- Do you know, I have the exact ones?
00:58:04
- I have the exact same Moustache comb.
00:58:06
- You do?
00:58:07
- All right.
00:58:08
- Candy is fucked, yeah, keep one in a car.
00:58:09
- Do you have a separate beard comb?
00:58:11
You have a Moustache comb and a beard because you couldn't be combing out your beard with that Moustache comb.
00:58:15
- Oh, no, I use a brush from a beard.
00:58:17
The Moustache is just for like literally parting it.
00:58:20
And I usually don't do it often unless I'm waxed, you know, when I get really fans and I wax it.
00:58:24
But it helps keep you, it helps keep everything put together, you know.
00:58:31
There is a lot of sparky, sexy tension.
00:58:37
This could be a scene in some kind of like thriller, right?
00:58:43
Like some kind of psychological thriller because Irv's Hannibal Lecter.
00:58:48
- Yeah, Irv's going into the bottle of wine and the other guy that he hasn't really met is, you know, I don't know what you would call this where he's kind of like putting burnt down but he's also welcomed him to the home and he says what's mine is yours.
00:59:06
And the way he looked at Irv when he said, what's mine is yours, you know, and he brought wine.
00:59:12
- Yeah, everything up until John Noble does his excellent work in a scene from now where he kind of breaks down a little bit.
00:59:22
- Everything up until then feels like they're just a playful couple.
00:59:25
They're just having fun, you know?
00:59:28
Like everybody knows the score here.
00:59:29
We're just gonna tease each other.
00:59:31
There's no harm, no foul.
00:59:33
Until you get to John Noble breaking down, which is pretty amazing.
00:59:39
But we'll get there.
00:59:40
- Did you see the Pepper Grindr collection that they have?
00:59:43
- No.
00:59:45
There's a shot when Irv walks into the kitchen and like all three of them are in frame and they kind of like you can see, you know, like a lot of people have those void spaces above their cabinets.
00:59:55
- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:57
- He must have 200 Pepper Grindr's of all sizes, shapes, materials.
01:00:04
- See, have those big four foot ones that you have to be a giant to use?
01:00:08
I love those things, man.
01:00:09
Those are so over the top.
01:00:12
- Yeah, yeah.
01:00:13
I like a good Pepper Grindr, but they're not cheap and they got like a couple hundred of them.
01:00:20
So what did you make?
01:00:22
- I believe it's what they would call them.
01:00:23
- Oh, Pepper Mill, that's true, that's true.
01:00:26
What did you make of all this?
01:00:28
'Cause this, this took me completely by surprise when so, so, Bert, tell me what brought you to Lumen.
01:00:37
Well, I guess Jesus did.
01:00:39
Like, I was Irv in this whole thing.
01:00:41
Like, what the hell?
01:00:42
How I gotta hear this story.
01:00:44
But it's kind of interesting, right?
01:00:48
I mean, I kind of buy it.
01:00:50
It's, but it's weird.
01:00:53
I gotta know how I'd feel if I was a 78 year old gay man and my lover is like, well, of course you're gonna go to hell because of whatever you did in your youth.
01:01:03
But I don't wanna be lonely up there.
01:01:04
So let's, let's pull a microwave burrito soul out of the freezer and I'll be with him.
01:01:13
- Yeah, I wonder, like, what kind of existence?
01:01:19
Do you get integrated, like a free integration when you go to heaven?
01:01:24
Will he have all the memories of being with his husband for us?
01:01:28
- Well, last year I think this is the church position.
01:01:30
Who knows what God actually thinks, but.
01:01:32
- Sure, sure.
01:01:33
No, this is, yeah, it's interesting.
01:01:37
I mean, I guess it's better to have some part of him, like he says, right?
01:01:40
- I think it feels about going and visiting his Audi, the bird's Audi.
01:01:46
- It gives Bert a real kind of edge to him too.
01:01:49
'Cause like, there's a bit of darkness to him when he said, you know, I was a bit of a scoundrel.
01:01:54
But, you know, when there's talking about the, and he can go to heaven, why the Audi burns.
01:02:00
- And I bet that's not intended to exactly mean working with Lumen on the severance project before it was officially existing.
01:02:13
But that's probably part of what he means, like probably imagines he's going to burn for that.
01:02:20
Yeah, and then though this feels like a weird get out of jail free, like a loophole for getting into heaven though.
01:02:27
Because, but honestly, I'm gonna say it's not that dissimilar from Catholicism where you can just go to confession and that cleanses your soul essentially.
01:02:37
- That's what I'm saying, but I don't know much.
01:02:41
- 'Cause you could be Hitler.
01:02:44
And if you're on your deathbed, be like, sever me and get to go to heaven.
01:02:49
'Cause, well, other part of you.
01:02:52
- It doesn't create a soul.
01:02:55
- Eighth off hate, H would be anything like eighth off Hitler, like, come on.
01:03:00
Eighth off H didn't do nothing.
01:03:02
Eighth off H did nothing wrong.
01:03:05
Clip that, ship it around the world.
01:03:09
- Can you admit, when eight off H is reintegrated, his fucking mind is gonna be blown at his outy's behavior.
01:03:16
- Yeah, it's not good, it's not good.
01:03:20
- But you know what I mean?
01:03:21
It's like you could be the worst person in the world when you get severed and some party is going to heaven.
01:03:25
That feels like a loophole.
01:03:27
I don't think Jesus intended that.
01:03:29
- I will say, I don't know much about Lutheranism other than the dude banged a bunch of stuff on a door and wore hair suits and caused a bit of ruckus in Europe.
01:03:40
- But like, do they not believe in the redeeming power of Jesus Christ sacrifice?
01:03:45
Like, what kind of scoundrelly do you do?
01:03:49
What kind of, did you like sin against a holy spirit bird?
01:03:53
Is that kind of the scoundrel you were?
01:03:54
'Cause there's a few things you can do to damn you.
01:03:59
Forever, without an act of contrition and getting right with God.
01:04:05
I just, yeah, I don't get it.
01:04:08
- I feel like helping create the severance project should be qualifying for that, though.
01:04:13
Well, hard, that's gonna do.
01:04:16
- Yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves on that one.
01:04:19
- I know.
01:04:20
Meanwhile, Mr.
01:04:21
Farley himself, Drummond, arrives at Irving's house and lets himself in to take a look around.
01:04:28
Also, Gretchen evades her husband's questions about her any date, this is where we get Dylan, trying to buy a new car and all this stuff on Gretchen's money.
01:04:37
- You finally see this guy's frolic tattoo?
01:04:39
- Yeah, up close, on his hand.
01:04:42
- Can we open up some old business about Mr.
01:04:44
Drummond?
01:04:45
- Yeah, please.
01:04:46
- I was watching, I think it was the previously on's.
01:04:53
And there's that thing where Haley's like, does Father know of this?
01:04:57
And he doesn't say Mr.
01:05:00
Egan or J.
01:05:01
Egan or whatever, he says, Father encouraged it.
01:05:04
Does that imply that he is related to, is that he's the natural son of J.
01:05:12
Egan as well?
01:05:13
Is he like some kind of bastard son?
01:05:15
Or is he Haley's legitimate full brother, half brother?
01:05:18
Or do they just call him Father that way?
01:05:21
- It's weird because his name isn't Egan, it's Drummond.
01:05:26
- So I wouldn't be the true legitimate brother.
01:05:30
- So bastard brother?
01:05:33
Or is again, is this a religious term?
01:05:36
- I've never heard anybody but Haley column, but I thought that I wanted to call out.
01:05:43
- I don't know.
01:05:45
He's clearly as devoted as anybody to this.
01:05:47
So it's possible.
01:05:49
- Well Gretchen, Gretchen Lion, to me, I don't know what, how I would feel about this.
01:05:58
Like is this cheating?
01:06:02
Is this having an emotional affair with your any?
01:06:05
But like, I think it's pretty clear that if you feel guilty telling your partner about it, the you think it's cheating.
01:06:12
- Yeah.
01:06:13
- And Gretchen is, therefore, cheating on Dylan.
01:06:18
- Let me throw another potential out there.
01:06:22
She does not want to have an awkward conversation about the state of their relationship.
01:06:26
She's avoiding the inevitable conversation that comes up with, well, why would you kiss him?
01:06:34
Why would you hug him?
01:06:35
Why are you spending time with him?
01:06:36
- Why don't you just go to why wouldn't I?
01:06:38
He's putting his food on a family's table.
01:06:40
He's a great guy, he's literally you.
01:06:42
You get to have me all the time.
01:06:44
He just wants a hug and look at her kids pictures and then know what he's working for.
01:06:48
- Yeah, but the kiss.
01:06:50
- I just think it's emotional line too.
01:06:54
- It's definitely the emotions behind it, but also I don't know what kind of guy Dylan is on the outside and maybe he's a very angry jealous man.
01:07:03
And she knows that this conversation is going to lead place as that she doesn't want to go right now 'cause she's got to get to work or whatever.
01:07:09
But either way, it's borderline dishonest and borderline cheating, I agree.
01:07:16
- I would put it over to borderline and I said I'm starting to not like Dylan, the Audi Dylan, but I really liked him at first because he's very funny.
01:07:29
He's quick on his feet in that door interview.
01:07:31
But then I remember a saying that like, God, he seems like he's being a real asshole to his life.
01:07:36
- Yeah.
01:07:37
- And now that I know they're dynamic, like man, she has been nothing but loving and supportive towards him.
01:07:44
And this, I don't know if she's shown this frustration towards him or if like seeing how put together an attentive and appreciative of her any Dylan is,
01:07:57
it's really, it's really coming to the forefront.
01:08:03
- Yeah, which is why, I mean, she hasn't even told him that he went to see, that she went to see him.
01:08:09
She says the whole thing was canceled.
01:08:11
Forget about the kiss, the hugs, all that stuff.
01:08:14
The whole thing was canceled.
01:08:16
They even see him.
01:08:18
- Yeah.
01:08:19
Where do you think this is going?
01:08:19
Is this turning to like a weekly thing?
01:08:21
Is it turning to a daily thing?
01:08:23
Is it something that Dylan's gonna fuck up and get their access revoked?
01:08:27
And that's gonna provoke things with Gretchen on the outside 'cause she wants to go see him.
01:08:32
I don't give a shit whether he does.
01:08:33
I wanna see my husband.
01:08:35
You've been letting me see my husband.
01:08:37
What is this a punishment?
01:08:38
Like, yeah, no, it's a good question.
01:08:43
I, if I'm looking at this holistically, I see Mark integrating, reintegrating, whatever you wanna call it.
01:08:52
He's gonna now have all the memories of his friends down on the severed floor.
01:08:57
Surely he's gonna want to enable them to potentially have the same procedure he did.
01:09:04
And I could see a situation where Dylan is reintegrated, not knowing that his wife has been having this relationship with him and has very difficult time dealing with that.
01:09:13
And, I don't even know who knows who he is.
01:09:15
And maybe it's more difficult because he realizes that Dylan is a better guy than he is.
01:09:21
And trying to come to terms with that is rough.
01:09:24
I do think that Dylan, I kind of been thinking that too.
01:09:29
Like, where is the kind of mid-game, the middle game of this show?
01:09:34
I'm like, are they gonna do like a super group, like an Avengers or Justice League where they get all these severed, non-severed people together and where Gaby's kind of like their professor acts?
01:09:42
Wouldn't that be interesting considering like, that's kind of what the idea that Milchick introduced with that fake newspaper at the beginning, right?
01:09:50
Like, this is true.
01:09:51
You guys are the heroes outside.
01:09:53
They become the Lumen for.
01:09:54
It's a property working on the inside and the outside.
01:09:57
It's a weird spy game.
01:10:00
But they're also setting up like where that might be siloed up 'cause we've seen Mark retreat further away from the people helping him, including a sister.
01:10:08
Herves already got his own thing and now he's getting into this intrigue with Bert.
01:10:12
And I don't know that Derral would wanna reintegrate if you just came to him and said, "Hey, we're trying to reintegrate everybody."
01:10:18
He'd be like, well, I don't know what a fucking do that.
01:10:22
Maybe, if it meant being with Gretchen, he might wanna do it now.
01:10:28
Yeah, I assume you're talking about any deal.
01:10:29
No, I'm talking about Audi Jail Dylan.
01:10:31
Oh, oh.
01:10:32
'Cause I assume any of our four Lumen guy of people would wanna be reintegrated, no problem.
01:10:37
Except for Helly, that's their thing.
01:10:39
What is Helly do with that?
01:10:42
Time out low in the water.
01:10:44
Are they gonna have to push her to the outside as the others get integrated?
01:10:49
They know they can't reintegrate her so she'll have to get pushed out of the any group as well.
01:10:55
That's gonna be a conflict of interest.
01:10:56
I don't know.
01:10:58
They need, what Mark needs to do, Mark and Ellie need to do as soon as they get bored, bone-in or whatever, before the next session is they need to come up with a safe word,
01:11:09
not for sexual purposes, but for in case like we're gonna invent some kind of weird, root-a-baga goat, Dylan Blue.
01:11:17
If I ever suspect that you're Helena, I'm gonna ask you, what's the safe word?
01:11:22
And if you don't say, root-a-baga, goat, Dylan Blue, then we're going to beat you to, I don't know what you do then.
01:11:31
Yeah, you can't beat her to death.
01:11:33
Ty up the extension cord, yeah, you can't.
01:11:36
But like, you know, they need something like that because that's the thing.
01:11:38
It's like, I think it's safer than to work with Heli because they're two different people.
01:11:43
But you've all got this thing where Helena might try her bullshit again.
01:11:46
But knowing their integration is possible, anything Heli knows Helena could know.
01:11:51
That's what I'm saying.
01:11:51
So you don't integrate her, but you still, you don't isolate Heli on the inside.
01:11:56
Yeah, but what if Lumen can integrate her at will?
01:11:58
What if they can just flip the switch to de-integrator?
01:12:01
Then you'd have a battle of wills.
01:12:03
Who do you think wins, Heli or Helena, with the battle of wills?
01:12:06
Oh, that's interesting, yeah.
01:12:08
Probably Heli.
01:12:10
One whole episode like that scene in Superman 3, where the evil Superman is battling the good Superman and kicking the,
01:12:21
have you seen that movie?
01:12:22
This is the one where the guy traps him in an elevator and throws him into space, right?
01:12:26
I don't think so.
01:12:31
(laughing)
01:12:32
This is he gets the good Superman.
01:12:34
There's a golden Superman.
01:12:36
Oh, you're not Superman 4.
01:12:38
Oh, okay.
01:12:39
Superman 3 is actually kind of good.
01:12:41
Not legitimately good, is that?
01:12:43
Yeah, quest for peace is a big piece of shit.
01:12:46
Yeah, but like I was like evil Heli and there, I guess Heli and Helena battle out for two gets physical control of the Helina robot,
01:12:59
meet robot that we all are.
01:13:01
I love it.
01:13:02
I think Heli wins that hands down.
01:13:04
I do too, 'cause she's a little bit more fierce.
01:13:06
She's got all the natural piss and vinegar of Helina, but she hasn't been beat down by 30 plus years of Colton indoctrination.
01:13:14
And she's got actual feelings for Mark, giving her a boost.
01:13:17
Whereas Helena, who knows what fucked up stuff she's on, but Heli wins.
01:13:22
For sure.
01:13:23
All right, let's go to Mark wolfing down Chinese food when Helena Egan walks in, introduces herself and invites her to his table.
01:13:31
They make small talk before things turn dark when the topic of Gemma comes up.
01:13:34
Mark tries to hide his emotions as he excuses himself and heads back home, highly agitated.
01:13:39
He's just eating like an animal, just.
01:13:42
- Man, and I knew I was on the mend when I was watching that this morning and he was just shoving his face with Chinese and my stomach started grumbling.
01:13:50
I think it's the first time I felt hungry in five fucking days, dude.
01:13:54
- Nice.
01:13:55
- But what is she, what is she doing?
01:14:02
This is some kind of vibe check of him, right?
01:14:06
- Yes.
01:14:09
And my question is, is this a personal thing or is this an official Lumen thing?
01:14:13
And I can't quite tell.
01:14:16
'Cause I know for one thing, for sure, this is not a coincidence, meeting him.
01:14:19
Like, Helena Egan is not eating in some rundown Chinese buffet.
01:14:23
I don't care.
01:14:24
You live in Kier P.A.
01:14:26
P.E.
01:14:26
- First of all, that looked amazing.
01:14:30
Honestly, the best Chinese food I've ever had have been in places that looked like shit holes.
01:14:36
The big neon glass palaces, mediocre Chinese.
01:14:40
You go to the place or just a hole in the wall.
01:14:43
That's where you get the fire stuff.
01:14:45
But...
01:14:47
- P.F.
01:14:47
Chang's stock just went down two points.
01:14:49
- Oh, fuck, I didn't, that's not, God, I hate P.F.
01:14:52
Chang.
01:14:53
I actually rather he panned expressed in P.F.
01:14:56
Chang.
01:14:56
How about that?
01:14:57
- Oh shit.
01:14:58
- And I would almost rather eat any Chinese buffet out of a dumpster than panned express.
01:15:07
(laughs)
01:15:10
- All right.
01:15:11
- It's clearly strong if it's like Chinese food.
01:15:13
- This place is key.
01:15:14
No, I love this place.
01:15:15
It's got the waiters are all dressed up and fancy.
01:15:18
I don't know if this is a shit hole.
01:15:19
This might be like a nice-- - What I'm saying is the place that, Helena Egan goes to eat Chinese food is not the place that Mark Scout goes to eat Chinese food.
01:15:28
- Yeah, this wasn't a random.
01:15:29
This was not random.
01:15:31
Which means they're following Mark.
01:15:33
- Uh-huh.
01:15:35
And does they mean Luminor?
01:15:37
Does they mean just Helena who...
01:15:40
- God, it's Cobra Loverly in.
01:15:42
- Get in there, yeah.
01:15:43
Yeah, a little bit.
01:15:44
- Speaking of this is a personal mission from her.
01:15:47
I don't think this is sanctioned.
01:15:49
- Speaking of holes that have long, laying dormant for a few episodes.
01:15:54
What's going on the copal call, Dara?
01:15:57
- Yeah, man, I talked with Pete about this.
01:15:59
We haven't seen Kovell in what, three episodes now?
01:16:04
- It's been a while, that's another one.
01:16:07
- And then last week and then this week, yeah.
01:16:09
- That's another one that the magma's backing up on and God help us off the two Caldera's merge.
01:16:14
It'll be a super volcano.
01:16:16
It'll take out all the west coast.
01:16:18
Like everything, west of Jelly Stone.
01:16:20
- Jelly Stone, yeah.
01:16:21
- Jelly Stone, yeah, we're winning.
01:16:23
- Yogi?
01:16:24
- You better go get the bear.
01:16:27
You better grab the Ranger and get the fuck out of there.
01:16:29
But, I don't know what they're doing with her.
01:16:32
She's off the radar, off the grid.
01:16:33
If she's smart, she's off the grid right now.
01:16:35
- I thought she won another piece of mark because like, she was a little flirting and mark is that, he's a champion.
01:16:42
I thought this was excellent flirting.
01:16:45
- Excellent flirting.
01:16:46
- High quality flirting.
01:16:48
- I saw you put flirting in your outline.
01:16:49
I changed it to small talk because I didn't get the flirting vibe.
01:16:52
- Jesus, how do you get laid, Jim?
01:16:55
- Are you kidding me?
01:16:55
- I have a lot of signals.
01:16:57
- Well, but I mean, yeah, I remember not, I remember the sensation of ins retrospecting and oh god, that woman was hitting on me.
01:17:07
But like, holy shit.
01:17:09
Yeah, there was sparks.
01:17:12
- Huh.
01:17:13
- All right.
01:17:14
- You wouldn't talk to another woman like that, would you?
01:17:17
- I guess I might, 'cause I didn't realize it was flirting.
01:17:22
You're gonna take me home to your dad already?
01:17:25
All my first time, all the pr, I mean, it's not.
01:17:28
Isn't that, and like, flirting's not like creepy so vesters to loan and like cobra.
01:17:35
- Right.
01:17:35
- Yeah, I wanna grab your tits.
01:17:37
It's, you know, it's like it's, it's subtle.
01:17:39
It's, it's humor, it's, it's, it's playful.
01:17:44
It's playful.
01:17:44
- It's playful with, that's what it is.
01:17:47
- Yeah, I guess you're right.
01:17:48
I guess they are flirting here a bit.
01:17:50
- Maybe I'm wrong.
01:17:51
- But, 'cause it has been, it's been 15 plus years that I've been in the game too, so.
01:17:57
- Right.
01:17:57
Yeah, but no, I, it's, is it real though?
01:18:02
Like, okay, yeah, maybe they're flirting, maybe they're talking about bringing home a boyfriend.
01:18:07
She says, you know, it'd be the first.
01:18:10
Is that true?
01:18:11
'Cause I kind of get the sense that maybe she's never taken a boy home to dad.
01:18:15
- It might be true, but also.
01:18:16
- Look at her dad.
01:18:18
But also, yeah, it's, it's, she's an Egon, so I suspect that everything she says is a lie.
01:18:27
- Yeah, that's true.
01:18:28
But then she, I think, I think this is all a mistake.
01:18:33
I mean, unless you're right, and this is just like a vibe check from Lumen on Mark.
01:18:38
When you dropped the name Gemma, even before Mark had started reintegrating.
01:18:45
- Well, he doesn't, she doesn't drop her name.
01:18:47
She drops the wrong name.
01:18:48
Would you see Mark's eyes click?
01:18:51
Like he's, and that's the first time in the conversation I realized, oh shit, I forgot, Mark knows that Gemma's still alive.
01:18:59
And which, 'cause she just made the point that I basically run the company, Mark.
01:19:04
Of course, I know everything that goes on and there.
01:19:06
That by, Mark must surely realize that she knows too.
01:19:11
As soon as she mentioned it, and I think she was looking for a reaction.
01:19:16
Maybe that's what the flow is all about.
01:19:18
Just to kind of like, you know, sucker punch him.
01:19:21
- Emotional.
01:19:22
- Or get him off his guard, and then yeah.
01:19:24
Yeah, it doesn't seem like she would just forget the name.
01:19:30
I don't buy that.
01:19:30
- But then, as far as it being a pure like military style commando mission, when Mark stands up to leave, they had this really weird,
01:19:41
like she's looking at him expectantly, it's almost exactly the same framing that they used when Heli was, well, when Heli was kind of like, not going to kiss Mark,
01:19:54
but kind of leaning in and kind of like half-closing her eyes, expecting it.
01:19:58
- That has huge kiss energy, huge.
01:20:01
- Yeah.
01:20:01
- Like wow.
01:20:02
- I have expected it to happen even though that would be insane in the scene, 'cause it was so coded that way.
01:20:07
- So maybe Heli doesn't know about Gemma.
01:20:11
That's a secret that she doesn't know about.
01:20:13
- Yeah, I mean, it's possible.
01:20:15
- The work's mysterious and important.
01:20:17
- Yeah, do you think Drummond would know?
01:20:21
- I don't know.
01:20:23
- Somebody has to know.
01:20:24
- Somebody fucking know what was obviously.
01:20:26
- I don't want to just grainer.
01:20:27
That information isn't lost to time.
01:20:29
- The board knows, probably Jamie knows.
01:20:31
I think, yeah, I think Helena and Mr.
01:20:35
Frolick and those people know as well, it's just I'm not sure.
01:20:40
Like Shirley Kobel knew, 'cause obviously she was doing all that psychological experiments on seeing if they'd recognize each other.
01:20:48
- Yeah, and I think Helena knows, she's, yeah.
01:20:52
It seems like she knows.
01:20:53
But this also seems very personal.
01:20:55
Like she is trying to get some kind of recognition of their experience during the Orpo here.
01:21:00
And there's like a longing in her eyes too.
01:21:05
It's like that's why I'm getting the kiss energy is, 'cause there's some kind of longing, it's not just analysis.
01:21:13
You know, I'm getting very strong emotions from Helena here.
01:21:17
- Which makes the possibility of her being there for her own purposes and just want to get close to Mark and she's using the wife thing sympathy and she just got the name wrong.
01:21:28
But, I mean, she's a rich asshole.
01:21:33
Like, that would be, that'd be classic rich boss behavior to get your name wrong when you're trying to, but I don't know, I don't think that, but I'm trying to keep an open mind because this show is mysterious and important.
01:21:47
- Very true.
01:21:48
All right, Mr.
01:21:50
Frawick rifles through herb secret, lumen research while herbs dinner with bird fields continues.
01:21:58
Things get awkward as fields has a bit too much wine and starts asking very personal questions about the other two's innies and gets a bit confused about dates for some potentially important lumen events.
01:22:09
Or does he, what's going on here?
01:22:12
- Dom.
01:22:13
- Dom.
01:22:14
- You know, 20 years ago, they were having drinks.
01:22:19
- I had an intense debate with myself for about 15 minutes, the first time I watched this episode.
01:22:26
And it's, it's diabolical what they're doing here because they set up that where essentially fields,
01:22:36
they get in an argument that's not about lumen at all.
01:22:41
He's like, oh, so we started calling each other hunting 10 years ago and John Noble was like, no, no, no, no, it was 20 years ago.
01:22:48
And so it's like, you already get this like, okay, well, he does get things fuzzy maybe or at least there, and then he goes and says, well, the lumen thing, when you were having what dinner with your lumen partner 20 years ago,
01:22:59
like, this is pre-severance, way pre-severance.
01:23:04
- Yeah, it would be like, yeah, and it'd have to be like, super testing floor.
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01:24:22
But we also know that they had the chip when Helena was a, well, we don't know, but the way she talked about her father showing her the first version of the chip made it seem like she wasn't even a teenager.
01:24:35
So.
01:24:37
- Yeah, if you believe that Heli is in her 20s late or otherwise, that could time out, right?
01:24:44
- But I mean, what's the sinister implication here that that Bert is a lot higher than we think he is, that he's secretly a member of the Lumen executive staff?
01:24:56
- Let me ask you this.
01:24:59
Would anybody that we've seen as an employee of Lumen describe Milchick as their partner?
01:25:05
They're Audi's partner.
01:25:08
- No, absolutely not.
01:25:12
- And yet that's the exact word he uses partner.
01:25:14
Your Lumen partner, that to me says that he is intimately involved in the business of Lumen and the business of severance, not the actual just employment.
01:25:26
- Seeing that these are two gay men and we're talking 20 years ago, is there room for when he says you're Lumen partner that that was like maybe the Bert was married to someone or was seeing someone?
01:25:39
That was a significant others partner.
01:25:41
It's a lot, that's the language it was used before.
01:25:44
- Intentionally.
01:25:44
- A lot of people allowed gay people to marry in this country.
01:25:48
- A lot of people use now for their partners gay or otherwise.
01:25:53
- Right, right.
01:25:54
- Yeah, that could definitely be what he's talking about.
01:25:58
Here's the other thing I'll point out.
01:26:02
Look at where they're living.
01:26:04
This is not Lumen assigned apartment housing like Mark's living in.
01:26:10
This is not Irv's house.
01:26:11
This is a very nice house with a lot of very expensive things inside of it.
01:26:18
They're expensive taste for wine, the beautiful lighting in this place.
01:26:21
Like, this is a house of a wealthy person.
01:26:25
- They are manifestly like aristocratic gay.
01:26:30
Like they're like Ian McKellen.
01:26:31
They're like dressed nice.
01:26:33
They're, you know, they're very educated and mannered and you know, these guys have made it and they are very comfortable.
01:26:43
That is, but on the other hand, this isn't something that Bert did because he needed money.
01:26:48
He was trying to get fields of companion in heaven that doesn't have a black soul.
01:26:54
So it's like I could see a guy doing it just for religious reasons.
01:26:59
Now, okay.
01:27:03
So here's the other thing I come back to.
01:27:04
Maybe fields is just slipping a little bit.
01:27:08
You know, John Noble's, I couldn't, that's the other thing is when I finally saw him in this episode, I'm like, holy shit.
01:27:13
Dynathor has gotten really fucking old.
01:27:14
But he's like, that movie came out 20 plus years ago and he's 78 now, yeah, he is old.
01:27:20
Maybe he's slipping a little bit.
01:27:22
We Bert told Irv is in itself that he had been working, well, he said he's been working in optics to design for seven years.
01:27:31
Even if you say that fields is having a senior moment, he's still putting this conversation 10 years ago, which is three years before he would have started.
01:27:42
So maybe this is a middle ground where they're having us have this big question but you're supposed to notice this is a little lie, which is where is the other three years of Bert's background in Lumen?
01:27:56
- Sure, because that doesn't even paper over it.
01:27:58
What Bert then tells him.
01:28:00
No, I think either way, there is a deeper connection between Bert and Lumen than we first thought he's not just a separate employee.
01:28:11
- I got big, which is very much like, and here's the other thing.
01:28:17
I mean, I think it becomes apparent by the end of the episode that this dinner date is a guise to get him out of his apartment so that Drummond can go in there because Drummond doesn't survey the place and make sure that Irv's gone.
01:28:29
He walks right to the front door, puts the key in, turns it, practically announces himself, walks straight in.
01:28:35
- But there's a problem with that too, right?
01:28:38
Like he kind of like the camera belines on Bert G.
01:28:43
So like, if he knew about that and set it up, what is with the camera misdirection?
01:28:50
- When, I don't know what you're talking about.
01:28:53
- When he was rifling through the papers, the final one he stops at and then the camera zooms in on the name that was centered in the screen was Bert.
01:29:02
- Yeah.
01:29:03
- I mean, maybe they think, oh no, he's onto us.
01:29:08
Yeah, I don't know the implications of that.
01:29:12
- Yeah, that could be that he's, we think we're onto him, but he's, he's on the hospital.
01:29:18
Oh, that's a good.
01:29:19
'Cause I was thinking that he was just, you know, casing Bert's place and I saw Bert leave, let it, you know,
01:29:29
a couple minutes ago and then went for it 'cause he's got a key to the apartment.
01:29:33
That's the other crazy thing.
01:29:34
- That's possible.
01:29:35
- Is Bert still living in a lumen housing?
01:29:39
- Bert?
01:29:41
- No, I don't think Bert is.
01:29:42
- I'm not, I'm sorry, er, er, because.
01:29:45
- Right, right.
01:29:46
- It does look like one of those developments and Mr.
01:29:50
Frolick did have a key for it.
01:29:52
- I don't know, maybe it takes time to not only fire someone but to evict them.
01:29:59
- Even in here.
01:30:00
- Yeah, you know, there's some straws.
01:30:02
I give 32 days and it takes 90 to make you.
01:30:05
- Herve's just squatting in lumen apartments.
01:30:09
I love it.
01:30:09
I love it.
01:30:10
- I guess so.
01:30:12
- I guess this is a big bombshell, I think.
01:30:15
- When Irv goes, you know, this corn is very special and then fields comes back with, do you think you two had unprotected sex down there?
01:30:25
It was very, Jesse goes to dinner with the whites.
01:30:29
Like I could feel like Irv just gulping down water while he's watching the electricity fly between fields and Bert.
01:30:37
- And what thing is is-- - He's got the right to ask this question.
01:30:41
- And he's, I think he's, if he's being sincere and I think he is, he's a little in his cups too, maybe he's shipping a little bit too.
01:30:47
But I also think he's sincere in that I just, I yeah, I have a right to know.
01:30:52
It's nothing personal, but yeah, if you guys are boning down, it's like I don't disapprove of it.
01:30:59
Obviously you guys have your own separate souls, your own separate lives, but you do share the same penises.
01:31:04
- And I don't know where Irv's has been.
01:31:06
- Does he want to give Irv a check?
01:31:08
But I have, just go to the clinic, Irv.
01:31:11
- Yeah, that's next episode.
01:31:13
Irv's just going to spin it in the clinic.
01:31:15
(laughing)
01:31:16
I don't think so.
01:31:18
- And I thought it was actually kind of beautiful how he said that, you know, I think, I've been talking to Pastor Gayle.
01:31:23
He's been soul-searching this and he says, I do think the ines deserved experience love.
01:31:27
And I mean that, I hope it was beautiful.
01:31:30
I believe them.
01:31:31
- Yeah.
01:31:32
- I do too.
01:31:32
- I like the different take, you know, on ines, 'cause it's always been pretty hard stances across the board.
01:31:39
This one feels like more nuanced one.
01:31:41
- Yeah, yeah.
01:31:43
I wonder what the majority of the churches feel about?
01:31:49
And I probably go, I mean, like Catholics versus Lutheran, versus Baptist, versus Protestant, versus conservative, versus liberal, versus, yeah.
01:31:58
versus non-denominational.
01:32:01
I wonder if there's that definitely.
01:32:02
- Yeah, it's a weird moment of like creating the thing that only God can potentially create, right?
01:32:08
The soul.
01:32:09
It's, yeah, we might be able to clone a body or whatever, but that's never gonna be a soul.
01:32:14
But they're teaching that it's a new soul and humans can create that.
01:32:18
That seems like a subversion of all of God's powers at that point.
01:32:21
- Although, I would think that would be-- - Do you think about it?
01:32:24
- Exactly.
01:32:24
Blast for me almost.
01:32:26
- Who creates other humans be humans?
01:32:29
We already have the power of creating new souls.
01:32:31
We just put the P into V and-- - Yeah, but it doesn't kind of have to end down the soul.
01:32:36
- I don't know if that's-- - I feel like God was the manager of the souls, but maybe he's on board with Luminon.
01:32:42
He's handing out new souls as soon as they get the chip.
01:32:45
- I mean, he's got him up in heaven.
01:32:47
You know he's got souls up there.
01:32:49
- Whole soul stash, yeah.
01:32:50
- We ever run out of all these soulless babies being born.
01:32:54
(laughing)
01:32:56
- Kind of rash of soulless babies.
01:32:59
- Yeah.
01:33:00
- I wasn't aware.
01:33:01
- Yeah, he's got to have a surplus.
01:33:03
- All right, let's go to Mark, who runs down the basement stairs.
01:33:10
He's now 1,000 per cent committed to do whatever crazy shit to his brain, the regabi wants to do.
01:33:16
And it is pretty crazy.
01:33:17
Volves jabbing a foot long needle into his brain and flooding the chip with fluid from his range as they're finishing up.
01:33:22
Devon makes a house call, which he has to take.
01:33:25
Clearly, in physical and mental distress, he tries to keep his act together and put Devon off.
01:33:31
But unfortunately, collapse is on the floor of his kitchen going into seizures.
01:33:35
And regabi rushes upstairs to attend a mark, leaving Devon to ask, who the fuck are you?
01:33:40
- Yeah.
01:33:42
Man, I tell you what, I'm pretty tough when it comes like gore.
01:33:50
- Me too.
01:33:53
- Sharp things to eyeballs.
01:33:55
And I just now found sticking a foot long needle in a living person's brain, while he's conscious in their basement, what the sonogram is.
01:34:07
It's just a step above what they were doing the neo in the first matrix where they had to rip that thing out of his belly.
01:34:15
It's like, I was highly squicked when I saw that the first time.
01:34:20
- Me too.
01:34:21
And I'll say this is not how anything should be done.
01:34:24
This operation is so haphazard, so ramshaggally.
01:34:29
His head is even strapped into a position.
01:34:32
He's just like taking an eye test.
01:34:34
He's got a full conclusion here.
01:34:35
Yeah.
01:34:36
Or twitches, or his brainstem, or yeah.
01:34:40
- Yeah, this is not secure in any way.
01:34:42
The mold from his basement is just leaking into his brain cavity here.
01:34:47
- Yeah.
01:34:48
- But honestly, we said the same thing about the official human thing.
01:34:52
It's not like in a surgical theater or anything.
01:34:54
It's just in like an eye doctor's office maybe.
01:34:58
- That's crazy.
01:35:00
I don't know much, but I know you can't open up the human brain without some level of sterilization.
01:35:05
- Yeah, I'm pretty sure when they, 'cause they do operate on people in their awake on doing brain surgeon a lot of times.
01:35:13
But I understand that they have some kind of steel halo that they literally screw their skull into so they cannot move.
01:35:19
Because, yeah.
01:35:20
- If you move a millimeter, you might lose your ability to speak.
01:35:24
- There goes your memory, a grandma's voice.
01:35:28
- Yep.
01:35:29
- There goes your first kid, a grandma's voice.
01:35:30
- But I Swiss cheese doll your memories, sorry.
01:35:33
(laughing)
01:35:35
- Yeah.
01:35:36
- Yeah, that's insane.
01:35:39
It seemed physically overwhelming.
01:35:41
I felt, speaking of the matrix, I thought that Mark reintegrating was almost down to the sound cue, film that presented identically to like Neo learning how to do Kung Fu.
01:35:55
Like just this like kind of like base rumble and when he's shaken and his eyes are twitching and just like he's gaining new memory.
01:36:01
I don't know what that looks like, but apparently that the wachowski's and Erickson and Stiller, they're all in on one accord of what it looks like.
01:36:12
Not the procedure itself, like what they were doing to the chip was interesting, they're flooding it.
01:36:18
So you can't really remove it.
01:36:19
It's got these two spikes that like dig into your brain.
01:36:22
- Yeah.
01:36:23
- It's like those things that you put in the wall, the anchors for drywall, where you put them in and then you, as you tighten it, it pulls the flaps out.
01:36:31
- Yeah.
01:36:32
- You really anchor it, it does that to your brain.
01:36:34
So it's like flooding it.
01:36:36
- Is that some kind of like fluid, the blocks the signal?
01:36:42
- It has to be, right?
01:36:43
Cause I would think, like you're not water.
01:36:47
- That's not water, fluid on your brain.
01:36:48
Yeah, you don't, you don't inject a bunch of fluids into your brain and if you have water on the brain, it's probably pretty bad.
01:36:54
So yeah, it must be some kind of thing that just blocks it, not short circuits it.
01:37:00
- And unfortunately, Mark's not supposed to move his head after this happens for a while.
01:37:06
And we know that one of the reasons PD went bad is because he didn't follow the aftercare procedures.
01:37:12
And here is not only is Mark, 'cause she was just like, 'cause Mark sat up from the chair into distress and she's like, don't move your head.
01:37:19
Now he's walking upstairs, he's trying interface with his sister, his head looks like it's about to split open.
01:37:25
And my God, when he collapses on the floor, you can see his head does, and it's like, is Mark gonna be okay?
01:37:32
Is Mark gonna just, is he on a terminal PD course now?
01:37:35
- That's an open question.
01:37:38
I think it would be a really ballsy thing for a show to do to kill off what's clearly your main character before it ends.
01:37:46
And I don't see it.
01:37:48
- But also, I don't either, but that can pay off as we saw on Game of Thrones, you know, it can really, you know, especially if they intended it.
01:37:56
It's not something that like Adam Scott was like, you know what, the show sucks, I need out.
01:38:03
If they had planned to do this, and so this is actually all about Helly or this is all about Dylan or this is all, but yeah.
01:38:12
I don't think it's gonna happen either, but boy, it's a danger, it's a dangerous stressful situation.
01:38:18
- Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see him like heading down PD's path a little bit, a little ways, but not all the way.
01:38:25
So, but man, how do you fake that at work?
01:38:29
Like that immediately gives up the game.
01:38:31
Your nose is bleeding, you're walking around like, you can't turn your head at all.
01:38:36
- Surely, it's like, it's not permanent, it's just like, you know, until the fluid settles or whatever.
01:38:43
- Oh, yeah, and she says it'll happen fast.
01:38:46
So, I guess maybe it'll be over fast too.
01:38:50
- And then he didn't have any.
01:38:51
- And he's fully integrated.
01:38:52
- Maybe, because like I said, we don't, we don't know why PD didn't work, we don't know.
01:38:59
- I did worry as the scene was going for the first time that like, this is going to a strange Dylan from Mark, but now that, you know,
01:39:10
obviously after seeing the whole episode, I don't think she's gonna hold this against him.
01:39:13
Like maybe she'll be hurt that he kept it from her, and she's worried he's letting this woman that's not using a sterile field to put a fucking needle in your brain,
01:39:25
but, yeah.
01:39:26
I mean, she was a real jackass to her.
01:39:30
- Yeah, I agree.
01:39:31
- No, I like this development, because now he can't hide it.
01:39:33
Right, he was set up, he was doing everything he could to deny.
01:39:37
Yeah, I'm doing this other thing, but I'm not really gonna talk about it.
01:39:41
But now there's the cats out of the bag.
01:39:44
So Devon's in, and I'm excited about that.
01:39:46
- I did notice that, and this has got to be intentional that a lot of the scenes that they showed flashing in the intense kind of integration scene were him having sex with Helena, him having sex with Heli,
01:39:57
him remembering wellness sessions with Ms.
01:40:01
Casey.
01:40:01
And I think there was a couple of maybe outside severance, outside lumen shots of Jimma from when they were married, baby.
01:40:09
- Okay.
01:40:10
- But it seems like those maybe the most intense things come back first.
01:40:14
That makes sense.
01:40:17
- Yeah.
01:40:18
No, I would think so.
01:40:19
Yeah, the most solid connections in your brain start to fire again.
01:40:23
- Yeah.
01:40:25
- Yeah, I got a question for the doctors in the audience.
01:40:31
I know we got one, probably three, four.
01:40:34
Does that hole in the back of Mark's head ever going to heal, or is it just stay that way?
01:40:40
And I don't know.
01:40:41
- No, the skull holes, the skull hole.
01:40:44
- 'Cause it's not a fracture.
01:40:46
- Right, like you're like bone, like if a bone breaks, you can't stretch it an inch apart and it'll just get back together.
01:40:53
- Right, he's not Wolverine.
01:40:54
- Even a little bit.
01:40:58
- No, Wolverine doesn't have his memory issues too.
01:41:01
Yeah, I just got to hold your head for the rest of your life.
01:41:06
- They probably put plates in for that exact thing, right?
01:41:10
- 'Cause that's the thing you can just have a soft hole in your head.
01:41:13
- Yeah, it's like data and Star Trek.
01:41:16
If you knew where you could put your finger in there and just fucking, he's done.
01:41:19
- Just turn Mark off, yeah.
01:41:21
- Yeah, I just stuck my finger all the way and your medulla oblin got a buddy.
01:41:25
Try to regulate your body temperature and control your heartbeat now.
01:41:29
- Yeah, the heart.
01:41:31
- Well, the heart, the human just doesn't give a shit, huh?
01:41:33
- Yeah, the heart, the heart, I think, is independent, but the lungs aren't, so.
01:41:38
- All right, let's go to the final scene here.
01:41:42
We're Burton, or say goodnight to each other after the dinner.
01:41:45
Apparently, herb has a little scoundrel in him too, as they both float the idea of seeing each other without fields next time.
01:41:50
- Yeah, I thought the...
01:41:55
- Ooh, Bert, I mean, Irv, you home wrecking slut.
01:41:59
- I don't think this is...
01:42:04
- Pretty bold.
01:42:05
- Yeah, so this is not an emotional request to me.
01:42:12
To me, Irv, or sorry, Bert is telling him, hey, we should see each other without fields because he wants to prevent any future slippage of information,
01:42:28
but maybe that's just my bias.
01:42:32
- I don't know, the scoundrel and the gleam in Irv's eye makes me think that there's more than pure motives behind it.
01:42:42
- But then it's like, man, again, these actors are so fucking good.
01:42:50
I was really considering...
01:42:52
Like I said, this show reminds me so much of the last, or not the last of us, the leftovers and even madmen,
01:43:02
where you could spend like 30 minutes just analyzing someone's facial expression and like, what, you know, there's so much going on here.
01:43:08
Bert, as he's watching him go, he goes through a lot of complex feelings and some of them are pretty dark, maybe.
01:43:18
But it also, that could be dark and like, am I really going to cheat on my 78-year-old partially-seen-ile husband when I'm already in my 70s?
01:43:26
Like, my God, when is this going to end?
01:43:28
Just be disappointing themself or it could be, yeah, I've got the Irv trap set or it could be a lot of different set.
01:43:36
- It would be so happy with me.
01:43:38
Yeah.
01:43:39
I don't know.
01:43:41
And where was this Christopher Walken at the end of Dune II?
01:43:45
The fuck, man, he's so good in this.
01:43:48
- I mean, it sounds like maybe the direction was not there.
01:43:52
- Oh, did he forgot how to direct that scene?
01:43:56
Like outside?
01:43:56
- I mean, what are the other options?
01:43:59
Christopher Walken was on massive amounts of drugs, I guess.
01:44:03
- I don't know, he's being a scoundrel.
01:44:05
He didn't believe in science fiction because I was bitterly, I was so excited that the prospect of him being the emperor of the known universe, but he kind of played it like as a siren alive skit.
01:44:17
- Oh man.
01:44:17
- It was bizarre.
01:44:19
And, but like, you can see here that he could do a really commanding and posing powerful figure.
01:44:26
If we're familiar with his work, he's done it a bunch of times before, but, yeah, yeah, these scenes are phenomenal.
01:44:33
- I agree.
01:44:36
They bring up just so many questions.
01:44:37
And it was, I thought odd that he re-enphasize that, oh, you know, fields get things wrong like that 20 years ago at Lumen thing.
01:44:47
When we know Severance doesn't that, oh yeah.
01:44:50
And it's like, super interesting.
01:44:53
- Yeah, no, he's, I think he pretests a little too much.
01:44:57
- Especially since he's working with Lumen in some capacity.
01:45:00
- That's why this show is so brilliant because it's so easy to see both sides of the story because, you know, Burt was kind of menacing when he was scouting out Irv,
01:45:13
you know, watching him from the shadows and considering him.
01:45:15
But then, when Irv confronted him, I was like, okay, well, that kind of makes sense.
01:45:19
But now we're back to this shit again.
01:45:22
So it's like, maybe this was sinister from the start.
01:45:25
- Yeah.
01:45:26
No, I come back to that music cue that they played there.
01:45:29
I'm like, was that just to fake us out?
01:45:31
'Cause an audience and he's...
01:45:32
- The show doesn't do a lot of fake outs thus far.
01:45:35
- Most of the stuff, like in retrospect, you're like, oh yeah, should own.
01:45:40
- So I'm thinking there's something less innocent about this.
01:45:45
Even less innocent than cheating on your 78-year-old husband.
01:45:50
- Yeah, shame, shame on you, scoundrel, Burt.
01:45:55
You just get a scoundrel of a Burt, SOB.
01:45:58
We have anything else to talk about this episode, Jim?
01:46:02
- I don't think so.
01:46:03
Don't forget, we won't have feedback on this episode because we'll have a super feedback episode out probably Tuesday of next week, maybe Wednesday.
01:46:13
But do get your email at the severanceofballmove.com.
01:46:16
We'll clean up everything from last week and this week as well.
01:46:20
Also, don't forget that I, assuming I don't die of whatever is inside by lungs, we'll be on with Pete tomorrow night at 9 p.m.
01:46:31
that's Friday, 9 p.m.
01:46:32
Eastern on his YouTube channel.
01:46:34
Just search for Pete Pappers.
01:46:35
We'll put a link, we'll put a link up to his channel in the show notes.
01:46:39
We'll be doing that each and every week, me and Jim taking turns keeping him busy or keeping him company.
01:46:44
And it's a good time.
01:46:47
I meant to, 'cause I meant to watch your thing, but then I got super sick, 'cause I was excited, 'cause you were, did you actually get to make it with Quinn's ideas?
01:46:59
'Cause he's a guy I'm kind of a fan of.
01:47:01
Yeah, he was a lot, okay.
01:47:03
I was like medium jelly of you.
01:47:05
But it's a good time.
01:47:07
I asked him, I told him you were a fan of his.
01:47:10
And he said, "Thank you."
01:47:11
I also...
01:47:12
It's like never heard of him.
01:47:13
(laughing)
01:47:15
Yeah, I said, "I've never heard of you.
01:47:16
"I don't know you from a hole in the ground, but."
01:47:18
But yeah, we'll be doing that this Friday night.
01:47:20
And if you would like to support us and what we do here at Ball de Nouve and pay for my pseudo-affedron support, stopbaldnewv.com.
01:47:29
And not just help me feel better.
01:47:31
You'll also get ad free feeds in a bunch of bonus content yourself.
01:47:35
I was gonna do it for this week.
01:47:36
We'll be back in just a couple of days after the weekend to talk about feedback.
01:47:41
Can't wait to see what y'all think of this one.
01:47:43
Until next week, I may run.
01:47:45
- And I'm Jim.
01:47:47
- See ya.
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