I had the absolute pleasure of chatting with Lisa Sugarman: a Trevor Project Crisis Counselor, Mental Health Advocate, Storyteller with the National Alliance on Mental Illness. This conversation is heavy, but so crucial to mental health advocacy. Topics covered that the audience should be aware of are suicide ideation, suicide, and similar topics. Please be aware that some of the episode may be triggering, and your mental health comes first.

You can find Lisa at www.lisasugarman.com and on Instagram

: @lisa_sugarman

All resources can be found on Lisa's website.

**DISCLAIMER: This podcast is for entertainment purposes only, and should not be used in place of help from a licensed professional**