SAMSON HAWKINS director, writer, puppet maker and producer joins the girls to talk finding his passion, the 20th draft and finally making money through theatre.

"The first draft should just be someone pouring their heart out, saying understand me”

Inbetween Stages with Kassius Nelson and Jennifer Brooke is a podcast derived from the unpredictable life of a creative trying to ‘make it’.

Each week a creative guest joins the duo to discuss challenges they have faced, celebrate achievements they have overcome and pull the curtain back on whats its REALLY like surviving those inbetween stages.

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