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Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58

Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58

Update: 2025-10-22
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What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really means to love God and neighbor in an age of outrage.


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Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58

Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58

Jeremy Jernigan is a former megachurch pastor turned wine-loving theologian who’s not afraid to ask the hard questions about Christianity. As the host of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy blends deep theological exploration with cultural critique, all while sipping exceptional wines from around the world. With a background in ministry and a passion for progressive faith, Jeremy invites listeners into raw, honest conversations about doubt, deconstruction, and rediscovering Jesus beyond evangelicalism. Whether he’s unpacking a problematic Bible passage, challenging toxic church traditions, or exploring the beauty of grace with a guest, Jeremy offers a fresh take on faith that’s thoughtful, provocative, and deeply rooted in love. If you're seeking a faith that holds space for curiosity, nuance, and a good Pinot Noir, you're in the right place.