In this “After” episode, Amy and Sasha revisit their powerful conversation with Lisa Phillips, a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse, whose story has since become highly public. They talk about how grooming really works, why shame is so common for survivors, and the complicated mourning that can follow leaving an abuser. Sasha offers a therapist’s perspective on trauma in the body, emotional dysregulation, coping mechanisms like alcohol, and the importance of telling our stories so they don’t destroy us in silence. Amy shares how deeply the interview affected her, especially as they explore what it means to truly listen, hold space, and bear witness to another person’s pain. Together, they remind listeners that they are not alone, that help and resources are available, and that healing begins when we speak the truth out loud.

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The information provided in this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute medical, psychological, or therapeutic advice. Although Sasha Hawkes is a licensed marriage and family therapist, she is not providing therapy, counseling, or professional services through this podcast. No therapist–client relationship is created or implied by listening. If you are seeking mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment, please consult a qualified professional. If you are in crisis or need assistance related to sexual violence or trauma, please refer to the resources listed below or contact your local emergency services.

RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network)

U.S.-based crisis hotline and online chat (24/7) for survivors of sexual violence.

Website: rainn.org

National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC)

U.S. national resource hub for survivors, families, professionals. Directory of local programs. (NSVRC)

Website: nsvrc.org

LGBT National Help Center (U.S.)

Peer-support hotlines and chat services for LGBTQIA+ individuals, including those experiencing sexual violence. (LGBT National Help Center)

Website: lgbthotline.org

1in6 (Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse/Assault)

Supports men and boys who’ve experienced sexual abuse/assault — U.S.-based. (Wikipedia)

Website: 1in6.org

Office on Violence Against Women (OVW) – U.S. Dept. of Justice

Comprehensive list of state/territory sexual assault coalitions and support organizations in the U.S. (Department of Justice)

Website: justice.gov/ovw/resources-for-survivors

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