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So, how's this No Tax On Tips thing gonna go?

So, how's this No Tax On Tips thing gonna go?

Update: 2024-08-203
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This podcast delves into the heated debate surrounding the proposed elimination of taxes on tips, particularly for service and hospitality workers. While politicians like Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have expressed support, economists and tax experts, including Howard Gleckman, strongly oppose the idea. The podcast explores the potential impact of this policy on both tipped workers and businesses, with esthetician Shannon Lee sharing her perspective on how it could affect her income and potentially influence business fee structures. The discussion then delves into historical examples of tax loopholes and their unintended consequences, highlighting how regulations aimed at benefiting one group can inadvertently benefit others, leading to challenges for government revenue collection. The podcast explores potential guardrails and solutions to mitigate these unintended consequences, focusing on income limits, defining eligible occupations, and the need for increased IRS resources to prevent fraud and ensure fair implementation. The podcast also emphasizes the importance of increasing the federal tipped minimum wage, currently at $2.13 an hour, highlighting its inadequacy and how raising it could address the broader issue of relying on tips for income. Finally, the podcast examines the political support for the tax-free tip policy, noting bipartisan interest and the introduction of bills by both Republican and Democratic lawmakers. The discussion highlights the potential for the policy to be implemented, particularly in battleground states with a significant number of tipped workers.

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00:00:00
The Tax-Free Tip Proposal: A Controversial Idea

The podcast discusses the recent proposal to eliminate taxes on tips, particularly for service and hospitality workers. While politicians like Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have voiced support, economists and tax experts, like Howard Gleckman, strongly oppose the idea.

00:01:42
Impact on Tipped Workers and Businesses

The podcast explores the potential impact of the tax-free tip policy on tipped workers and businesses. Shannon Lee, an esthetician, shares her perspective on how the policy could affect her income and potentially influence how businesses structure their fee schedules.

00:03:22
Historical Examples and Unintended Consequences

The podcast delves into historical examples of tax loopholes and their unintended consequences. The discussion highlights how regulations aimed at benefiting one group can inadvertently benefit others, leading to unintended outcomes and challenges for government revenue collection.

00:05:29
Guardrails and Potential Solutions

The podcast explores potential guardrails and solutions to mitigate the unintended consequences of the tax-free tip policy. The discussion focuses on income limits, defining eligible occupations, and the need for increased IRS resources to prevent fraud and ensure fair implementation.

Keywords

Tipped Minimum Wage


The minimum wage specifically for workers who receive tips, often significantly lower than the general minimum wage. It's a controversial topic, with advocates arguing for its increase to ensure fair compensation and critics arguing it can lead to lower wages for workers.

Tax-Free Tips


A proposed policy that would eliminate federal income taxes on tips received by workers, particularly in the service and hospitality industries. The policy has generated significant debate, with supporters arguing it would benefit workers and opponents citing potential unintended consequences and fairness concerns.

Guardrails


Measures or regulations designed to prevent unintended consequences or abuse of a policy. In the context of the tax-free tip policy, guardrails could include income limits, occupation restrictions, and increased IRS enforcement to prevent fraud and ensure fair implementation.

Gaming the System


Exploiting loopholes or manipulating rules to gain an unfair advantage. In the context of the tax-free tip policy, gaming the system could involve individuals redefining their income as tips or businesses structuring their fee schedules to maximize tax benefits.

Unintended Consequences


Unexpected and often negative outcomes that result from a policy or action. In the context of the tax-free tip policy, unintended consequences could include increased inequality, reduced government revenue, and exploitation of workers.

Tax Loopholes


Legal ways to reduce or avoid paying taxes, often exploited by wealthy individuals and corporations. The podcast discusses how tax loopholes can create unintended consequences and undermine the fairness of the tax system.

Bipartisan Support


Support for a policy or proposal from both major political parties. The podcast notes that the tax-free tip policy has garnered bipartisan interest, suggesting it could potentially be implemented.

Q&A

  • What are the main arguments against eliminating taxes on tips?

    Economists and tax experts argue that the policy is unfair, could lead to gaming the system, and might not actually benefit the intended recipients. They also point to historical examples of tax loopholes creating unintended consequences and making it harder for the government to raise revenue.

  • How could the tax-free tip policy be implemented in a way that minimizes unintended consequences?

    Potential solutions include setting income limits, defining eligible occupations, and increasing IRS resources to prevent fraud. However, experts remain skeptical about the effectiveness of these measures, arguing that people will find ways to exploit loopholes and manipulate the system.

  • What is the current federal tipped minimum wage, and why is it important to increase it?

    The current federal tipped minimum wage is $2.13 an hour, which is significantly lower than the general minimum wage. Advocates argue that increasing the tipped minimum wage would ensure fairer compensation for tipped workers and address the broader issue of relying on tips for income.

Show Notes

By now, you've probably heard a lot from both presidential nominees about getting rid of taxes on tips.

The idea may sound good on first go, but it has its detractors, namely economists and tax experts. Their fears include unfairness and people gaming the system.

On today's episode, how to put in place guardrails for a policy that many economists believe is likely to go off the rails.

Related episode:
Why Americans Can't Quit Tipping

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So, how's this No Tax On Tips thing gonna go?

So, how's this No Tax On Tips thing gonna go?