Episode Description:
In this episode of the Two Piers Podcast, host Erica D’Eramo is joined by Dr. Anthony Luévanos—an expert in leadership, coaching, and organizational development—to explore the powerful role of systems thinking in today’s complex work environments.

Together, they unpack what systems thinking really means, how it applies across industries, and why it’s essential for leaders who want to navigate change, foster collaboration, and drive meaningful results. From emotional intelligence to adaptive leadership, this conversation connects technical problem-solving with human-centered leadership in a compelling, practical way.

Whether you're leading a team, coaching executives, or rethinking your approach to organizational growth, this episode offers insight into how to see the bigger picture—and act with greater impact.

Topics covered include:

• What systems thinking is and how it applies to leadership
• Root causes vs. surface-level symptoms in problem-solving
• The intersection of coaching, engineering, and organizational development
• Emotional intelligence as a leadership competency
• Visualization tools like causal loop diagrams and mind maps
• Leading with adaptability in unpredictable systems
• Shifting from a mindset of knowing to one of learning

Guest Bio:
Dr. Anthony Luévanos is an educator, coach, and organizational development consultant with a passion for building effective, adaptive systems. With a background spanning school leadership, academic research, and cross-sector collaboration, Dr. Luévanos brings a systems lens to leadership development, helping individuals and organizations thrive in complexity.

Resources & References:

• Peter Senge, The Fifth Discipline
• Donella Meadows, Thinking in Systems
• Toyota Lean Manufacturing Principles

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