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Taking Nietzsche seriously

Taking Nietzsche seriously

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This episode of The Grey Area delves into the complex and often controversial political philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. Host Sean Illing argues that Nietzsche, despite his popularity and influence, is often misrepresented as a mere nihilist or existential psychologist. Instead, Illing contends that Nietzsche was a right-wing thinker who deeply feared the leveling power of mass culture and the triumph of egalitarianism. He believed that the death of God, a central theme in Nietzsche's work, had unleashed a crisis of meaning and morality, leading to the rise of nihilism and the need for a new, aristocratic form of radicalism. Illing's guest, Matt McMannis, a lecturer at the University of Michigan and editor of the essay collection "Nietzsche and the Politics of Reaction," supports this interpretation, arguing that Nietzsche's ideas have been appropriated by generations of right-wing thinkers, including those on the alt-right. McMannis emphasizes that Nietzsche's contempt for democracy and egalitarianism stems from his belief in the fundamental inequality of souls, a concept he never fully justifies. The episode explores the implications of Nietzsche's thought for contemporary politics, particularly the rise of right-wing populism and the need for a more sophisticated defense of egalitarian values. Illing and McMannis discuss the dangers of Nietzsche's ideas, particularly his embrace of violence, exploitation, and slavery, while acknowledging the value of his insights into the human condition and the crisis of modernity.

Outlines

00:00:00
Introduction

This Chapter introduces the episode's topic: Friedrich Nietzsche's political philosophy. It highlights the host's personal connection to Nietzsche's work and acknowledges the potential for his ideas to be misconstrued or lead to harmful outcomes. The episode aims to explore Nietzsche's political thought in a nuanced and critical manner.

00:04:12
Nietzsche's Political Thought

This Chapter delves into Nietzsche's political philosophy, focusing on his concept of the "death of God" and its implications for morality and society. The chapter explores Nietzsche's critique of egalitarianism and his embrace of aristocratic radicalism, arguing that he saw the rise of democracy and socialism as a continuation of Christian values that he rejected. The chapter also discusses Nietzsche's influence on right-wing thinkers and the ways in which his ideas have been appropriated by the alt-right.

00:25:59
Nietzsche's Legacy

This Chapter examines the enduring legacy of Nietzsche's thought, particularly his influence on the political right and the alt-right. The chapter explores the ways in which Nietzsche's ideas have been used to justify violence, exploitation, and inequality. It also discusses the dangers of misinterpreting Nietzsche's work and the need for a critical engagement with his ideas.

00:43:53
Nietzsche's Influence on the Political Right

This Chapter examines the ways in which Nietzsche's ideas have been appropriated by the political right. The chapter argues that the political right has always been more committed to inequality than to tradition, and that Nietzsche's embrace of aristocratic radicalism aligns with this commitment. The chapter also discusses the ways in which Nietzsche's ideas have been used to justify a militant secularism and a rejection of egalitarian values.

01:00:34
Conclusion

This Chapter concludes the episode by reflecting on the enduring relevance of Nietzsche's thought and the need for a critical engagement with his ideas. The chapter emphasizes the importance of understanding Nietzsche's political philosophy in order to better understand the pathologies of modern politics. It also suggests that Nietzsche's ideas, while potentially dangerous, can also be a source of intellectual honesty and creativity.

Keywords

Friedrich Nietzsche


Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) was a German philosopher, cultural critic, composer, poet, and philologist whose work has exerted a profound influence on Western thought. He is known for his critiques of traditional morality, religion, and philosophy, as well as his ideas on the will to power, the Übermensch (Superman), and the death of God. His writings are characterized by their aphoristic style, their use of irony and paradox, and their exploration of the dark side of human nature.

Nihilism


Nihilism is a philosophical doctrine that denies the existence of inherent meaning, value, or purpose in life. It often involves a rejection of traditional moral and religious beliefs, as well as a sense of despair and disillusionment. Nietzsche, while not a nihilist in the traditional sense, saw the death of God as leading to a crisis of meaning and the potential for nihilism to take hold.

Aristocratic Radicalism


Aristocratic radicalism is a political philosophy that emphasizes the inherent inequality of individuals and the need for a society ruled by a select elite. Nietzsche advocated for this form of radicalism, believing that the masses were incapable of self-governance and that a strong, creative individual was needed to lead society. This concept has been used to justify various forms of elitism, hierarchy, and authoritarianism.

The Death of God


The death of God is a central theme in Nietzsche's work, referring to the decline of religious belief and the loss of traditional moral values in modern society. Nietzsche saw this as a crisis of meaning and a challenge to humanity to create new values and a new way of life. The concept has been interpreted in various ways, but it generally refers to the loss of faith in traditional religious beliefs and the rise of secularism.

Egalitarianism


Egalitarianism is a political philosophy that emphasizes the equality of all individuals, regardless of their social status, race, gender, or other characteristics. Nietzsche was a strong critic of egalitarianism, believing that it led to a leveling of values and a decline in human creativity. He saw egalitarianism as a product of Christian morality and a threat to the development of strong, creative individuals.

Alt-Right


The alt-right is a loosely organized group of far-right activists and thinkers who promote white nationalism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of bigotry. They often use online platforms to spread their message and recruit new members. The alt-right has been linked to various acts of violence and intimidation, and their ideas have gained traction in mainstream politics.

Resentment


Resentment is a bitter feeling of displeasure or indignation at having been treated unfairly. Nietzsche saw resentment as a powerful force in human psychology, particularly among those who felt powerless or marginalized. He believed that resentment could lead to destructive behavior and a desire to bring others down.

Jordan Peterson


Jordan Peterson is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor who has gained notoriety for his controversial views on masculinity, religion, and politics. He is known for his self-help books and his lectures on topics such as the meaning of life and the dangers of postmodernism. Peterson has been criticized for his views on gender, race, and politics, which have been seen as promoting right-wing ideology.

Richard Spencer


Richard Spencer is a white nationalist and alt-right leader who is known for his racist and anti-Semitic views. He is the founder of the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think tank. Spencer has been linked to various acts of violence and intimidation, and his ideas have gained traction in mainstream politics.

Paul Joseph Watson


Paul Joseph Watson is a British far-right commentator and conspiracy theorist who is known for his inflammatory rhetoric and his promotion of conspiracy theories. He is a frequent contributor to the website Infowars, which is run by Alex Jones. Watson has been criticized for his racist, sexist, and homophobic views, as well as his promotion of violence and hatred.

Q&A

  • What is Nietzsche's central argument about the "death of God"?

    Nietzsche argues that the decline of religious belief and traditional moral values in modern society, which he calls the "death of God," has created a crisis of meaning and morality. He believes this has led to the rise of nihilism and the need for a new, aristocratic form of radicalism.

  • How does Nietzsche view egalitarianism and democracy?

    Nietzsche is a strong critic of egalitarianism and democracy, believing they lead to a leveling of values and a decline in human creativity. He sees these systems as products of Christian morality and a threat to the development of strong, creative individuals.

  • What are the dangers of misinterpreting Nietzsche's work?

    Misinterpreting Nietzsche's work can lead to the justification of violence, exploitation, and inequality. His ideas have been appropriated by various right-wing groups, including the alt-right, who use them to promote their own agendas.

  • What is Nietzsche's concept of the "Übermensch" (Superman)?

    The Übermensch is a central figure in Nietzsche's philosophy, representing a highly evolved individual who transcends conventional morality and creates their own values. He is a symbol of human potential and the need for individuals to strive for greatness.

  • How does Nietzsche's thought relate to the rise of right-wing populism?

    Nietzsche's ideas, particularly his critique of egalitarianism and his embrace of aristocratic radicalism, have resonated with right-wing populists who seek to overturn established social and political hierarchies.

  • What is the role of resentment in Nietzsche's philosophy?

    Nietzsche sees resentment as a powerful force in human psychology, particularly among those who feel powerless or marginalized. He believes that resentment can lead to destructive behavior and a desire to bring others down.

  • How does Nietzsche's thought challenge traditional left-wing views?

    Nietzsche's critique of egalitarianism and his embrace of aristocratic radicalism challenge traditional left-wing views that emphasize equality and social justice. His ideas suggest that the left may need to re-evaluate its relationship to Christian morality and its commitment to egalitarian values.

  • What is the significance of Nietzsche's influence on the alt-right?

    The alt-right's appropriation of Nietzsche's ideas highlights the dangers of misinterpreting his work and the potential for his ideas to be used to justify bigotry and violence. It also raises questions about the responsibility of intellectuals to critically engage with their own ideas and their potential for misuse.

  • How can we engage with Nietzsche's work in a responsible and critical manner?

    Engaging with Nietzsche's work requires a careful and critical approach, recognizing the potential for his ideas to be misused. It is important to understand the context of his writings, to be aware of the potential for his ideas to be misinterpreted, and to be critical of his own biases and limitations.

  • What are some of the key takeaways from this episode of The Grey Area?

    This episode of The Grey Area highlights the importance of understanding the political philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, particularly his critique of egalitarianism and his embrace of aristocratic radicalism. It also emphasizes the dangers of misinterpreting his work and the need for a critical engagement with his ideas. The episode suggests that Nietzsche's thought, while potentially dangerous, can also be a source of intellectual honesty and creativity.

Show Notes

Sean Illing talks with political science professor Matt McManus about the political thought of Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th-century German philosopher with a complicated legacy, despite his crossover into popular culture. They discuss how Nietzsche's work has been interpreted — and misinterpreted — since his death in 1900, how his radical political views emerge from his body of work, and how we can use Nietzsche's philosophy in order to interpret some key features of our contemporary politics.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Matt McManus.

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