Tasty Morsels of Critical Care 072 | Cardiorenal syndrome
Update: 2023-07-03
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Welcome back to the tasty morsels of critical care podcast.
Today we tackle a somewhat nebulous syndrome. Something we throw around with a few hand wavy explanations but often light on detail. Hopefully in a few minutes you’ll at least have a few morsels more of information to stave off all the trainees who are undoubtedly much smarter than you on the ward round. But perhaps I’m getting too autobiographical already.
This does not appear with any great frequency in Oh’s manual but there is a nice scientific statement from the AHA that is referenced below. Though when you call it a statement you imagine some nervous spokesman in front of a camera trying to explain why is boss has done something naughty. Instead this is a 39 page epic review of the topic.
To start with there are apparently 5 types of cardiorenal syndrome. I’ll let that sink in. You all thought there was one didn’t you?
Type 1 is the acute deterioration in kidney function seen in cardiogenic shock from ACS. Type 2 is the slow and chronic deterioration of kidney function in the chronically failing heart.
They get sneaky with type 3 calling it renocardiac syndrome. You see what they did there they just reversed cardiorenal syndrome and called it renocardiac syndrome. In this scenario the kidney has acutely been injured and the consequences such as fluid overload cause heart failure. Type 4 is again renocardiac with the kidneys causing the heart failure but on a chronic basis. With me so far?
Type 5 is the big bucket where they put all the left over disease that cause both kidney and heart failure eg things like amyloid, or sepsis or cirrhosis.
Certainly when i use the term in daily practice i was only ever thinking of types 1 and 2 and that’s what we’re going to focus on in this tasty morsel.
Why does this happen. I’ll paraphrase the opening part of the pathophys section from the scientific statement. Conventionally we focus on poor forward flow from the heart causing poor renal perfusion, poor GFR and activation of the RAAS. But in the style of a telemarketing TV advert “wait there’s more”. Poor forward flow is by no means the only pathology and in fact high pressures on the venous side likely contribute to the phenomenon of cardiorenal syndrome. for example we know that a MAP of 65mmHg is a generic target for perfusion pressure for most organ beds. However the actual calculation of perfusion pressure is probably better represented as MAP-CVP. Therefore in those with CVPs chronically sitting in the 10-15 range, you are going to struggle to effectively perfuse their kidneys. You’ll even here this called congestive renal failure on occasion.
Along the same lines it’s worth thinking about the impact of intrabdominal pressure on renal perfusion, those with tense ascites from heart failure are also going to struggle. There are of course much more complex neurohumoral, inflammatory type cytokiney thingies going on but as you can tell they are well over my head so I’ve skipped them for now.
You might think that diagnosis of cardiorenal syndrome might be straightforward. We just check a creatinine and if it’s high it’s a problem. But there are a fairly bewildering array of tests available for assessing renal function beyond the very blunt stick of creatinine. Things that rejoice in names like NGAL or cystatin C or looking at albuminuria; all may have a role in teasing out CRS from other issues. Valuable as it is for filling the 39 pages of the scientific statement i can’t see any great relevance to the jobbing intensivist. Of note in the paper, and perhaps obscured by the detail of the available biomarkers is the note that fluctuations in creatinine are often poor representations of actual kidney injury.
Today we tackle a somewhat nebulous syndrome. Something we throw around with a few hand wavy explanations but often light on detail. Hopefully in a few minutes you’ll at least have a few morsels more of information to stave off all the trainees who are undoubtedly much smarter than you on the ward round. But perhaps I’m getting too autobiographical already.
This does not appear with any great frequency in Oh’s manual but there is a nice scientific statement from the AHA that is referenced below. Though when you call it a statement you imagine some nervous spokesman in front of a camera trying to explain why is boss has done something naughty. Instead this is a 39 page epic review of the topic.
To start with there are apparently 5 types of cardiorenal syndrome. I’ll let that sink in. You all thought there was one didn’t you?
Type 1 is the acute deterioration in kidney function seen in cardiogenic shock from ACS. Type 2 is the slow and chronic deterioration of kidney function in the chronically failing heart.
They get sneaky with type 3 calling it renocardiac syndrome. You see what they did there they just reversed cardiorenal syndrome and called it renocardiac syndrome. In this scenario the kidney has acutely been injured and the consequences such as fluid overload cause heart failure. Type 4 is again renocardiac with the kidneys causing the heart failure but on a chronic basis. With me so far?
Type 5 is the big bucket where they put all the left over disease that cause both kidney and heart failure eg things like amyloid, or sepsis or cirrhosis.
Certainly when i use the term in daily practice i was only ever thinking of types 1 and 2 and that’s what we’re going to focus on in this tasty morsel.
Why does this happen. I’ll paraphrase the opening part of the pathophys section from the scientific statement. Conventionally we focus on poor forward flow from the heart causing poor renal perfusion, poor GFR and activation of the RAAS. But in the style of a telemarketing TV advert “wait there’s more”. Poor forward flow is by no means the only pathology and in fact high pressures on the venous side likely contribute to the phenomenon of cardiorenal syndrome. for example we know that a MAP of 65mmHg is a generic target for perfusion pressure for most organ beds. However the actual calculation of perfusion pressure is probably better represented as MAP-CVP. Therefore in those with CVPs chronically sitting in the 10-15 range, you are going to struggle to effectively perfuse their kidneys. You’ll even here this called congestive renal failure on occasion.
Along the same lines it’s worth thinking about the impact of intrabdominal pressure on renal perfusion, those with tense ascites from heart failure are also going to struggle. There are of course much more complex neurohumoral, inflammatory type cytokiney thingies going on but as you can tell they are well over my head so I’ve skipped them for now.
You might think that diagnosis of cardiorenal syndrome might be straightforward. We just check a creatinine and if it’s high it’s a problem. But there are a fairly bewildering array of tests available for assessing renal function beyond the very blunt stick of creatinine. Things that rejoice in names like NGAL or cystatin C or looking at albuminuria; all may have a role in teasing out CRS from other issues. Valuable as it is for filling the 39 pages of the scientific statement i can’t see any great relevance to the jobbing intensivist. Of note in the paper, and perhaps obscured by the detail of the available biomarkers is the note that fluctuations in creatinine are often poor representations of actual kidney injury.
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