Andrew and Billy are joined by Bro Steve Hertel, the Senior Deacon of Navasink Lodge 9 (Red Bank, NJ), to discuss the nontraditional routes both he and Andrew took through the Officer chairs, how being thrust into a leadership role affected them, and would they have felt more comfortable if they had gone the “regular” path.

The guys were also joined by engineer and bonus guest Criss Madd, guitarist for the band Serious Matters and host of the Ghosted podcast, a show that dives into the paranormal. He chats with Billy about some of the supernatural occurrences that have happened to members of the Lodge while they did their random housecleaning duties.

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