Have you ever wondered how your manager got to where they are? Ever considered that they may have taken a demotion to move up? Sounds counter-intuitive, but sometimes it's what's needed, especially when making the move from a small company to a large. Paul Downing talks about how he went from leading a small but mighty kitchen to dropping down to sous chef to achieve his goals.

"And I realized then there was no growth, so I needed to do something else. And so I got this opportunity to go to Amman in Jordan, but then as a sous chef, so I had to step down to take that position, but I was in a much bigger organization..."

"The Lead Story" episodes 1-5 are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Podcasts and other podcast platforms.