What if the most politically influential Christian leaders in America aren’t the ones you’ve heard of?

In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Matthew D. Taylor joins Dru Johnson to explain how the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and related charismatic networks reshaped modern evangelicalism—and helped deliver the presidency to Donald Trump. Taylor, a scholar of religion and politics, traces how televangelists, prophets, and apostolic leaders operating outside denominational structures built a new Christian populist movement with real spiritual and political power.

Far from being fringe actors, these leaders—like Paula White and Lance Wallnau—hold enormous sway through media networks and prophetic authority. Taylor explores how modern prophecy, celebrity culture, and populist theology have created a system resistant to critique, driven by revival language and unregulated influence. He explains why evangelical elites misjudged the NAR’s reach and how their dismissal of these leaders as “hucksters” only deepened the divide.

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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to the New Apostolic Reformation Movement

02:50 Understanding Pushback and Misconceptions

05:46 Defining the New Apostolic Reformation

09:21 The Role of Charismatic Leaders in Politics

12:10 Trump and the Evangelical Connection

15:09 The Seven Mountain Mandate and Its Implications

18:05 Cyrus Prophecy and Its Significance

21:14 The Divide Between Evangelical Elites and Grassroots

26:19 Theological Divides in Modern Evangelicalism

27:40 Historical Context of Evangelicalism

29:06 Populism and the Rise of Trump

31:29 Scriptural Interpretation and Prophecy

35:19 The Role of Modern Prophecy

38:33 Leadership Dynamics in Non-Denominational Spaces

43:41 Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Supremacy

46:35 The Early Church's Ethos vs. Modern Power

50:58 Path Forward for Evangelicals