The Psychology of Infertility & Miscarriage w/ Dr. Molly Burrets
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This podcast features a conversation between Marie Lewellen and Dr. Molly Burritz, a clinical psychologist specializing in reproductive mental health, who shares her personal experiences with infertility, including IVF, miscarriage, a termination for medical reasons (TFMR), and secondary infertility. Dr. Burritz details the emotional and financial burdens of IVF, her decision to seek treatment in Tijuana, Mexico, and the eventual success of her treatment. The discussion covers various aspects of infertility, including the importance of support systems, navigating social media, addressing misconceptions about infertility and miscarriage, and the strain infertility can place on relationships. The podcast also addresses the complexities of discussing infertility with friends, the impact on body image, postpartum depression and anxiety, and the importance of self-compassion and grief processing after abortion or miscarriage. Throughout the conversation, Dr. Burritz offers valuable advice and emphasizes the need for open communication, mutual support, and seeking professional help when needed.
Outlines

Infertility's Impact and Dr. Burritz's Introduction
The podcast introduces the significant stress infertility places on marriages and introduces Marie Lewellen and Dr. Molly Burritz, a clinical psychologist specializing in reproductive mental health with personal experience in IVF, pregnancy loss, and secondary infertility. A trigger warning is given for discussions of infertility, miscarriage, and loss.

Dr. Burritz's Personal Journey and IVF Experiences
Dr. Burritz shares her personal infertility journey, including miscarriages, TFMR, and her IVF experience, highlighting the emotional and financial challenges, and her decision to seek treatment in Tijuana, Mexico.

Coping Mechanisms, Support Systems, and Social Media
The conversation shifts to coping mechanisms and support systems during infertility, emphasizing the importance of boundaries on social media and in real-life relationships, and the need to protect one's mental health. The complexities of discussing infertility with friends and the unexpected competition that can arise among friends regarding pregnancy are also discussed.

Addressing Misconceptions and Relationship Strain
The podcast addresses misconceptions about infertility and miscarriage, emphasizing the need for open conversation and support. It also discusses the significant strain infertility can place on relationships, offering advice for couples navigating these challenges and emphasizing the importance of open communication and mutual support.

Postpartum Mental Health and Body Image
The final segment addresses postpartum depression and anxiety, offering advice on seeking support and recognizing warning signs. It also discusses body image during pregnancy and the importance of self-compassion and grief processing after abortion.

Infertility Etiquette and Body Image
This section covers the etiquette of discussing infertility with friends, suggesting open communication and establishing shared boundaries, and explores the challenges of body image during pregnancy and infertility.
Keywords
Infertility
The inability to conceive a child after a year of unprotected sex, encompassing various causes, treatments (IVF, etc.), and significant emotional impact.
IVF (In Vitro Fertilization)
Assisted reproductive technology involving fertilization of eggs outside the body; high cost, physically and emotionally demanding, and not guaranteed success.
Miscarriage
Spontaneous loss of pregnancy before 20 weeks; causes vary, and the emotional impact is significant, often leading to grief and trauma.
TFMR (Termination for Medical Reasons)
Termination of pregnancy due to severe fetal abnormalities incompatible with life; a highly sensitive and often stigmatized topic.
Secondary Infertility
Difficulty conceiving a second child after a previous successful pregnancy; can be equally emotionally challenging as primary infertility.
Reproductive Grief
Emotional distress experienced after pregnancy loss, infertility, or other reproductive challenges; often involves stages of grief similar to bereavement.
Reproductive Mental Health
Focuses on mental health challenges related to fertility, pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum; includes conditions like postpartum depression and anxiety.
Body Image
One's perception and feelings about their physical appearance; pregnancy and infertility can significantly impact body image.
Postpartum Depression
A mood disorder that can affect women after childbirth, characterized by persistent sadness, anxiety, and other symptoms.
Support Systems
The network of individuals providing emotional, practical, and social support during challenging times, such as infertility or pregnancy loss.
Q&A
What are some common misconceptions about IVF?
Many believe IVF guarantees pregnancy, but success rates vary significantly. It's also incredibly expensive and emotionally taxing.
How can friends and family best support someone going through infertility?
Offer practical help, listen empathetically without offering unsolicited advice, and respect their boundaries. Acknowledge their pain and validate their feelings.
What advice would you give to couples experiencing relationship strain due to infertility?
Recognize that infertility is a significant stressor. Seek individual and couples therapy, prioritize open communication, and make time for connection unrelated to fertility treatments.
How can someone cope with the emotional toll of infertility and pregnancy loss?
Build a strong support system, seek professional help, join support groups, practice self-compassion, and allow yourself to grieve.
What are some signs of postpartum depression or anxiety?
Persistent sadness, anxiety, loss of interest in activities, changes in sleep or appetite, feelings of hopelessness or worthlessness. If these persist beyond a few weeks, seek professional help.
What is TFMR and why is it important to discuss?
TFMR (Termination for Medical Reasons) is the termination of a pregnancy due to severe fetal abnormalities. Open discussion helps reduce stigma and provides support for those who have experienced it.
How does infertility impact relationships?
Infertility can create significant strain on relationships due to stress, emotional burden, and differing coping mechanisms. Open communication and mutual support are crucial.
What is the importance of support systems during infertility?
Strong support systems are vital for emotional well-being during infertility. Friends, family, and support groups can provide crucial emotional and practical assistance.
How can social media impact individuals struggling with infertility?
Social media can be both helpful and harmful. Setting boundaries and limiting exposure to triggering content is important for mental health.
What are some common misconceptions about miscarriage?
Miscarriage is often stigmatized and misunderstood. It's important to remember that it's not the individual's fault and that grief and support are necessary.
Show Notes
Ep. 191: This episode includes discussion of infertility and pregnancy loss—please listen with care. Today’s episode is a special conversation with Dr. Molly Burrets, a clinical psychologist and professor at USC, about the deeply personal and often invisible experience of reproductive grief. Dr. Molly struggled with infertility herself, facing miscarriage, a TFMR, and ultimately pursuing IVF abroad. Having made it through to the other side, she shares what these experiences taught her—about grief, resilience, and what it means to be truly supported. Anyone navigating infertility, pregnancy loss, or supporting someone through it will get a lot from this conversation.
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Topics Discussed:
00:00:00 : Intro & trigger warning
00:01:45 : Welcome
00:03:07 : Molly’s personal story
00:04:02 : Starting her family later in life
00:04:40 : First miscarriage
00:05:13 : TFMR (Termination for Medical Reasons)
00:07:29 : Choosing IVF for genetic testing
00:10:07 : IVF in Mexico vs. U.S.
00:17:56 : Success with final embryo
00:20:18 : Private Instagram for IVF updates
00:21:34 : Setting boundaries during IVF
00:22:55 : Lack of education around IVF
00:23:56 : Molly's support during her struggles
00:25:37 : Setting boundaries with pregnant women
00:31:39 : Thoughts on viral clip about infertility
00:42:56 : Group etiquette around fertility conversations
00:45:33 : Competitive feelings among women around pregnancy
00:50:18 : Helping friends through miscarriage
00:47:21 : Struggles with secondary infertility
00:49:10 : Time gap between kids
00:50:18 : Healing relationship with body during pregnancy
00:52:52 : Marital strain and vulnerability during infertility
01:03:11 : Postpartum mental health red flags
01:05:54 : Body image shifts during pregnancy
01:09:46 : Grieving after abortion
01:12:06 : Bittersweet emotions after conceiving through IVF
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