A clean interface. A focused tool. A moment of silence in the noise. None of it happened by accident.

In this thoughtful, quietly revealing conversation, Kate and Andrew trace the influence of Japanese philosophy on the tech we use every day, from the Walkman and the iPhone to today’s digital environments. They unpack ideas like wabi-sabi, Kaizen, and hodo-hodo, demonstrating how concepts of imperfection, restraint, and continuous improvement continue to shape product design, software development, and user experience at the highest level.

They revisit the cultural legacy of Sony’s Akio Morita, explore Steve Jobs’ obsession with Zen simplicity, and reflect on how modern platforms could benefit from doing less, not more.

This is a conversation about clarity, intention, and the quiet power of design that respects your attention.

This episode doesn’t push — it invites.