The Reno 411 with Guy! | Golden Hour
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Today on “Golden Hour,” we have the “Golden Bachelorette” runner-up, Guy, on the podcast! We kick off the episode catching up with Guy and getting to know who he is on a deeper level. Then, we get into one of your questions, and Guy gives some spectacular advice. Plus, we play a quick game of Get to Know Guy, where we learn some interesting fun facts about the ER doctor, including his hidden talent! Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.
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- Joel, the holidays are a blast, but the financial hangover.
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That can be a huge bummer.
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If you are out there and you're dreading the new statement email that reveals the massive balance that you may have racked up, well, you could use our help.
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- That's right.
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- I'm Joel, and I am that, and we're from the How To Money Podcast.
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Our show is all about helping you make sense of your personal finances, so you can ditch your pesky credit card debt once and for all, make real progress on other crucial financial goals that you've got,
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and just feel more in control of your money in general.
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You know it.
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For money advice without the judgment and jargon, listen to How To Money on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Feed the Good Wolf.
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I'm Eric Zimmer, host of The One You Feed.
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Every week, I talk to brilliant minds and brave souls about the art of small, powerful choices.
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Our listeners say it all.
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- This is a lifeline.
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Listen to The One You Feed on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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- Hey y'all, I'm Dr.
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Joy Harden Bradford, host of Therapy from Black Girls.
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This January, join me for our third annual January Jump Start series.
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Starting January 1st, we'll have inspiring conversations to give you a hand in kickstarting your personal growth.
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat music)
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- Welcome back, everybody, to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour.
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Thanks so much for joining us again, and we are so excited to be back, right, Kathy?
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- Oh my goodness, Susan, how are you doing?
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- I'm getting there, I'm getting there.
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Okay, so we, at this thing goes around all this time of year, everybody's sick.
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I think you started it.
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- Yeah, who started it?
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You started it.
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I don't know,
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we're doing this today, not feeling the best, but we love answering Bachelor Nation questions, and so if you haven't yet, please send in your questions, 'cause we love chatting with Bachelor Nation phase.
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I don't know, Susan, who we got today.
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- I'm telling you, speaking of Bachelor Nation, we have one of the newest members joining us today.
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Alex, excited, are we?
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Please welcome Guy from Jones Season of the Golden Bachelor, Ed.
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- Hey, Guy, welcome.
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- Hey, Guy.
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- Hi.
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- How are you doing?
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- How are you doing?
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- Are you ready to be on the hot seat?
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- I am on the hot seat.
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(laughing)
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- Turn it off, turn off that hot seat, that hot seat.
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- So we've got to know you're going to, we've got to know you a little bit, but we want Bachelor Nation, so, you know, we're gonna get to know you,
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and then we're gonna have you help us answer some questions from our Bachelor Nation questions.
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But in the meantime, before we get to that, tell us what's been going on in your life.
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- Yeah.
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- Let's see.
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- Wait, didn't you get sick right after the show, too?
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That's where it started.
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- I actually did.
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And you know, I did.
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The, I got it.
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- I was sitting there, I guess.
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- It is.
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- It may have been, it was the day app.
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Well, I think I picked up in Las Vegas, 'cause I'd gone the Vegas the week before, to see the Eagles at the spear, which is unbelievable.
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- That's the going Sunday to see our Eagles.
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- No, he means the Eagles, the music group.
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- He means the group, I'm talking for all, come on.
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The spear is a, is it, is it?
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Yeah, it's ice and big for music.
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Go ahead, guy.
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- Yeah, so that's where I think I picked it up, because it was the day after the finale.
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When I flew home, I started feeling poorly in the next day, awful.
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And I tested positive for COVID, but I'm pretty sure I probably had influenza, just because in the ER, we used to test for three batteries of test viruses,
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RSV, influenza, and COVID all the same time.
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50% of the people who tested positive for COVID also tested positive for influenza.
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And so it's very common right now.
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- But isn't it a flu?
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- I mean, influenza, yeah, yeah.
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Influenza A, B, H1, N5, you know, that means anything or nothing.
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- All right, it's a virus.
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- So basically where we are, you can tell us in the ER doctor, because we, common people refer to it as the flu.
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Only a doctor says influenza.
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- I had bronchitis straight up.
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- Yeah, we both have bronchitis.
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So we're making it better, but we want to know.
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- We want to know.
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I don't know, so where should we begin?
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- Where do you want to tell us?
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- What do you want to tell us, guy?
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- We'll let you start.
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What would you like us to do?
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- We'll warm this up slowly.
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- Who is a guy?
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Except that we know the guy on TV.
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- Yeah, you know, what I will say is, and is that the show was actually, and you know, I used, from the beginning, I've used the term a transformational journey for me.
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And, yeah, I want to clarify what that means to me, 'cause it means something to each person, but it wasn't just the show that made it transformational.
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It was the six months leading up to it.
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A lot of things happened, major milestones in my life that changed, that just kept putting me into a better spot.
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One of those that I decided to hang up my stethoscope as I referred to it retire after 35 years of working in the same ER, and was able to do everything I wanted to do,
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accomplish everything.
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I was turning 66, I said, you know, it just feels like the right time.
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And that was one of them, but, you know, what I, I'll say there's five things that this transformational journey.
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The first thing is, and I don't want to sound to mumbo jumbo psychological, but it's, it's the, the first thing is, is that I learned to love myself again.
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- Did you hear me this morning on that other podcast because you just quoted me.
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- Oh, no.
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- So it says that.
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- Okay.
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- It's true, but it was true.
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And, and before you, you have to love yourself before you could love someone else.
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- Amen.
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- And so the second thing was, and this was part of what the show helped me with, and going through the process, it allowed me to know that I can truly love again.
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And what I mean by that is I think a lot of times when people get divorced or they're separated, because you can describe love in so many different ways, but I broke it down into a love of convenience and a lot of passion and convenience is,
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those people who jump into a quick relationship afterwards, because they, they just need somebody, they need something to, to, to fill a void.
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I, I personally don't need a lot of convenience.
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I'm, I'm looking for that love of passion that, that feeling used to get when you were 25 years old.
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- Susan, he sounds like you.
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I don't know.
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- I don't know.
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- This is a match made for me.
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- Do we have like the same parent?
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- Susan, Susan says these things all the time.
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- So wait, I'm taking it.
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- Susan, I was born in Philadelphia.
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- We'll see that and my kids were born in Texas in the early days.
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But are you, would you say you are a romantic?
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- Yes, very much so.
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- Where you are during your sleep or twins?
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- We should date that guy.
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- I mean, there's a, there's a reason, there's a reason I got emotional on the show, and those emotions were real.
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They weren't contrived.
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You can't, you know, I can't, I can't make it.
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- I can't make myself cheer up or cry, you know, for no reason.
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So, so there is that.
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And my kids always say that you've always worn your emotions on your sleep, you know?
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I get very sent, I'm very sentimental, very nostalgic.
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So those are the two things.
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The third thing, you know, in that transferational journey is I really have established an even better relationship with my poor kids.
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Not that I didn't have it before, but it's just gotten stronger, you know?
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And part of this is they get older and more mature.
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They've become parental to me, you know?
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And they can drum eating right, and I'm doing things, and you know, I'll be on, what happened here?
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I'm just supposed to come to dad for advice.
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The fourth thing is, I just kept over those six months start getting happier and happier.
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And even when I got on the show, every week, you know, when we would go through the Rose ceremony, and my goal was just to get one rose.
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That was me.
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I said to my kids, I can't come home the first week.
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It would be totally embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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So I said, I don't want to come home and people go, well, how that work out for me.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But I, you know, I'm really, and I have wonderful time with my oldest daughter and my one of my sons.
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So two of my kids down in Atlanta for Thanksgiving, I got to spend time with my grandson.
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And I got big news that my daughter is expecting again, next year.
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Yeah, I can grab.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay, wait, I'm good.
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I get interrupted because in quiet, before we jump into what's going on in your life, we have to ask inquiring minds want to know.
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(laughing)
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On the show, guy, you, we're wearing your heart on your sleeve and, you know, we heard you say to Joan, is there any chance of you changing your mind?
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How are you feeling now about all that?
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Yeah, that's a really good question.
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And I can tell you when at the end of the show, because I was very, I was guarded.
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I was very skeptical at the beginning of the show.
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I just thought, this isn't, this is not how you find somebody.
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You, you find love.
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I just didn't think it was possible.
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Well, that really changed during the show.
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And it was for a lot of different reasons.
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And for me, Joan was a big factor in that, okay?
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It was also become, rather, between the, the, the, the bromance is between the men were huge, because we spent time not talking about golf or football or baseball,
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we talked about our lives and our experiences.
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Yeah.
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And I, I journaled for 45 days every single day, anyway, from 30 minutes up to two hours.
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On the big days, I wrote 20 pages in a journal.
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And so to go back to your original question, Kathy, is, is I, at the end, I was very, I was emotional,
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the, the emotions were because I was convinced, I'd convinced myself that I was Joan's guy.
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And rightfully so.
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At the end, at the end of the, the hometown.
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I was 100 years old.
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I said, everybody else is going through the motions.
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It's me, right?
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And it got stronger and stronger.
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I thought we had a very, it's not a true overnight, but our time together alone, that whole day, I thought was magical as was the hometown.
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And so I, I was, I was mentally in this mindset.
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Gosh, you can, you can learn to love again.
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You can have those feelings again.
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And so when I got the knock on the door, I honestly had somehow convinced myself that she was there to tell me that I was her guy,
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not that she was about to let me down and that her heart lies with someone else.
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That was really obvious, guy.
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Watching it back, we, we thought the same thing.
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I mean, we knew, no, I'm, I'm sorry.
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We know how the show goes, so we knew that you thought that it was going your way.
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A knock on the door is never a good thing, God.
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Just fine, I know that now, I know that now.
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And I just, and, but I just, I still had my head that I was convinced because that morning when I was interviewed, I laid it all out.
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I said, you know what, I'm, I'm going all in.
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I'm going to meet her kids.
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I was convinced their kids would really like me.
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They would, I was ready to even ask them for their blessing.
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That's how I was set.
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And then 30 minutes later, 30 minutes later, you know, she knocks on the door and I still convinced myself, okay, she's here for the bright reason.
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And then when she said, can we sit down and talk?
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I was going, oh, this is not going to go well.
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Okay, then I knew this was not good.
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So that's, that's why when she said that and then I asked her back because I just was like, you know what, give me a little more chance, give me the,
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give me that last part I was supposed to get.
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The chance to meet her family to spend more time with her.
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Because really in retrospect, when I looked at the finale, the after the Rose ceremony, she even said live on stage.
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She said it was all about timing.
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It was, she thought that she said this and I can't quote the exact word.
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She said, but essentially, you know, if we had more time, there's a good chance that we would be together, you know, and so, but now,
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now going back up, I've had four months to like think about it.
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I know, I was, I struggled for the first three to four weeks after I got home.
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I kind of isolated quarantine, but then you start to assimilate things.
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You start thinking about it.
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You spend more time and then watching the show back was very therapeutic for me.
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Because I knew what happened, but you don't know the real details of what happens.
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And it allowed me to see that.
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It allowed me.
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And even when I got home after the finale, because on the finale, I only got to see part of it.
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I didn't get to see everything that everybody had seen.
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I watched my part off stage off camera, but I saw nothing else.
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And then I went on stage and that went by like that.
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Isn't it weird to watch yourself showing emotion?
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It's kind of strange, right?
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It is.
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And it's, you know, and I tried to warn everybody.
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I said, you know, I said, just, just please, please be kind to me, especially, you know, my male friends who want to harass the crap out of me, like, really, you had to cry on TV.
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Listen to the One You Feed on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joy Harden Bradford, host of Therapy for Black Girls.
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00:18:27
So let me ask you, let me just turn a little bit here.
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So we are all of a certain age.
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And when we talk about dating, obviously we're all in our golden years here.
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What does it mean to you to be in your golden years?
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Yeah, what does it mean?
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Not only just to be golden, but dating, how it looks different, relating with your kids, how it's been in your golden years, never mind doing our national TB.
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How does it feel to be dated and doing this all in your golden years?
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Yeah, it's, it's, as I've said before, it was a whole lot easier when we were young and in college, or when I was in medical school, it was, it was easy,
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right?
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Because we had not, if you met somebody, you were going to mold your life together with them.
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We're now at this position where our lives have already been molded.
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Now we got, when we meet somebody, we have to meld those 40 years together.
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We have to meld our kids together.
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We have to meet our family, our own little quirks and personalities that we, we all possess.
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We have our filters and our career right here of what we want in a partner that, you know, when you're younger, it was like, boy, they're really cute.
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I think I'd like to go on a date with them.
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I'm going to date them.
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Exactly.
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Right.
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Now you got to worry about what your kids think.
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Sure.
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But it is.
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Well, you're looking for your companion, somebody who's going to spend the rest of your time with.
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Yeah.
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You get along with and you enjoy each other's company.
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And that's, you know, you know, and I talked about the at 1.5 C's which turned into more, you know, and I was a communication, compatibility,
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connection, caring, caring, one more, we need one more.
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What's the fit one, caring and compromise.
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You have to be able to compromise.
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That's us.
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Compromise, communication.
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But I will also say the other things that have come to mind is comedic, right?
00:20:34
I love the lab.
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I'm still updating the other person has to be able to do the same thing if they can't laugh themselves.
00:20:40
I think he's asking me out, Susan.
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I think he's asking me out right here talking to the comedy team over here.
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I mean, that's all we do is laugh.
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That's very important.
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And that's why I like you guys.
00:20:51
Okay.
00:20:52
But who do you, who do you have your eyes on?
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Anybody from our season?
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Um, you know, I was, is it me?
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I'll go more than Susan and Kathy, I haven't decided, you know, I'm not letting them off the hook.
00:21:08
Come on.
00:21:09
Especially after you guys went through everything with you, you guys look terrific.
00:21:14
Yeah.
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I just did it again.
00:21:16
Look at me.
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I watch your stuff.
00:21:18
I'm going.
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They just keep getting better looking.
00:21:20
You guys are like Benjamin but you're going in the wrong direction or the other direction.
00:21:29
So let me ask you something guy, dating prior to the show, yeah, and dating after the show, how does it look different to you?
00:21:38
What's the, it's definitely different.
00:21:40
I, I will admit that before the show, so after my separation divorce, um, I did, I tried to date locally, but in Reno, Reno is very small population,
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400,000, it's geographically isolated.
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I mean, you have to go four than 50 miles to Vegas, 600 miles, or 500 miles to Salt Lake City, 600 to Portland and 200 to San Francisco.
00:22:06
So once you get into your age, right there, wait, Susan, do you love the fact that guy has it down to the miles to those cities?
00:22:16
I just want to, I like to drive a great car.
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I'll just cruise on over, not that he isn't dating in his neighborhood, but he knows exactly the mileage to these cities.
00:22:26
I love it.
00:22:27
Carry on.
00:22:28
It is.
00:22:29
And so, so I went, um, you know, I tried to date locally, but it just, I just wasn't comfortable with that.
00:22:37
Does nobody hear?
00:22:39
Well, there, there is.
00:22:40
It's just that, um, you have to go back and look at my life, but, you know, my ex and I lived in a fishbowl because she's a politician and so, um,
00:22:50
so, and then I was ahead of the ER and.
00:22:54
Yeah.
00:22:55
I have 14.
00:22:56
Yeah.
00:22:57
Yeah.
00:22:58
It's, it's, it's, it's really difficult.
00:23:00
You date one woman, there's a good chance that that doesn't work out.
00:23:03
The next one knows that one who knows that one, who knows that one, who knows that one.
00:23:07
Oh.
00:23:08
So it makes a little bit different.
00:23:10
I went on dating apps.
00:23:11
Um, I tried that, um, didn't we all, it, it, yes, it, you know, I met a lot of very nice women, but I can tell you for me, and again,
00:23:22
this is where the show came in and this, this transformational journey is that, um, that I was able, before I thought I was ready.
00:23:34
I thought I was, you know, I was emotionally available.
00:23:37
That's the term people like to use.
00:23:39
I was not emotionally available.
00:23:41
I saw the, the show you didn't seem 100% emotionally available, but towards the middle and the end, you were open it up by watching it.
00:23:50
That's exactly your 100% correct season.
00:23:53
That, that is, that is right on today.
00:23:55
Well, you two really understand each other.
00:23:57
I know.
00:23:58
I know.
00:23:59
I, wait, I have a question guy, I'm working for your season.
00:24:02
I'm working it.
00:24:03
I have a question guy, you, um, you and I've talked a little bit and, um, you have said that dating long distances, that is one thing that constantly comes up when we're talking with goldens,
00:24:16
whether male or female, we, there's always a distance thing because we all have children.
00:24:22
We all have brain children.
00:24:23
So, you know, I've made it pretty clear that if I met, and I, and Susan, I think is in the same boat.
00:24:30
If we meet the person for us, um, I'd be willing to relocate because I put airplane to four.
00:24:37
I would, I would fly back once a month, you know, run an Airbnb and see my kids.
00:24:42
That for me is not an issue for some people it is, not an issue for you.
00:24:46
Well, we, Guy has said that's my question because you had said that dating someone, you know, by coastal or whatever is, is it, well, you're, you know, but you know, I'm saying dating someone who this far away is an issue,
00:24:58
but is it an issue just in the initial stages, or is it a moving issue for you?
00:25:03
No, it's, it's just the initial stages.
00:25:06
Obviously, if somebody is an hour flight away, that's, that's easier to say, hey, let's have dinner tonight.
00:25:14
I mean, I literally can fly that.
00:25:15
Susan, he's trying to plan for us.
00:25:17
He's trying to plan for us.
00:25:19
Keep talking.
00:25:20
It's getting better all the time.
00:25:21
I'm in California a lot.
00:25:23
And then, and, and, and, and when you have, like, say, we can do this easily, you know, but if, if I'm going back east, we're looking at, you know, like a, a 12 hour,
00:25:34
13 hour, you know, I guess why it's down to here, it's not 12 hours.
00:25:39
Where you stop?
00:25:40
It's fine.
00:25:41
I was flooring it.
00:25:42
Wait, wait, wait.
00:25:43
I just want to point out.
00:25:44
Okay.
00:25:45
I want to where you live.
00:25:46
Okay.
00:25:47
There's, you know, there's the place.
00:25:48
Philadelphia nonstop.
00:25:49
I guess I win.
00:25:50
I'm in Texas.
00:25:51
See you later.
00:25:52
Susan.
00:25:53
No, you have to stop.
00:25:54
Susan, Susan, uh, South Dakota or whatever, wherever it is, it's okay.
00:25:58
We take a little while to get to, you know, but, um, but you're not opposed to it.
00:26:04
Absolutely not.
00:26:05
And that's actually a conversation I even had with Joan.
00:26:07
I said, because I knew that she, um, she's not leaving her family.
00:26:13
She's so committed.
00:26:14
She is, you know, she's going to New York.
00:26:18
That's not as a sec as another place, you know, I, but she's still getting me spending time, you know, with her children.
00:26:25
And I suspect Chuck will be doing the same thing because their families need so much.
00:26:30
And for me to answer your question is, if I found the right person, I, the distance wouldn't be the problem.
00:26:39
Um, I'm retired.
00:26:42
None of my kids live in Reno.
00:26:44
Okay.
00:26:45
They live in San Francisco and Atlanta and San Diego when I'm used to just move from London.
00:26:51
So it would be easy for me to relocate, but what I would say is at least I'm in the position where I'd say, I'm just going to keep my place in Reno.
00:27:02
I have another place up in the mountains.
00:27:04
It's really fun to go to.
00:27:06
And you have a place, let's say, on the east coast or in the Dallas, Fort Worth area or in the best of all the world.
00:27:13
Yeah.
00:27:14
Yeah.
00:27:15
Wherever it might be.
00:27:16
And so why not just have a place there and a place there?
00:27:20
Nobody says it.
00:27:21
Great.
00:27:22
Guy.
00:27:23
I need to tell you, and I'm saying this with all joking, if I'm glad you're smiling.
00:27:27
And knowing you went wrong with Joan, where you needed to bring keys to the house, mountain house.
00:27:34
You need to bring keys to the house in Reno and you bring up a third sale, you need to bring a third set of keys and say, pick your poison.
00:27:42
You what I had?
00:27:43
Okay.
00:27:44
I have a good question.
00:27:45
Guy.
00:27:46
There is a golden power that I didn't get the opportunity for that.
00:27:50
I'm just.
00:27:51
Come on.
00:27:52
We're all friends.
00:27:53
I know.
00:27:54
I know you're joking.
00:27:55
I am.
00:27:56
I'm going back and saw Chuck doing.
00:27:57
I'm going.
00:27:58
I didn't have a chance after that.
00:28:00
I said it went over, right?
00:28:04
So would you be interested if you were asked to go to a golden paradise?
00:28:11
You know, and if anybody tell me what the premise, real premise is behind a golden paradise.
00:28:19
Drinking.
00:28:20
I'm finding someone to dance while times I'm kidding, because rumor has it they're going to have us seniors,
00:28:31
us golden and if so, who, if anyone would you like to see on that beach?
00:28:36
Beside Susman, me, besides me, yes, it can.
00:28:40
Okay.
00:28:41
You know, I will say that I didn't get a chance to meet her at the after party.
00:28:50
As she came across so well on the show, um, was Nancy.
00:28:54
Oh, my man, she, she seems sweet.
00:28:58
She seems very sincere, very kind.
00:29:02
She is all of that.
00:29:04
And then some guy.
00:29:05
She's a lovely human being.
00:29:06
And I'm going to set you up on a date.
00:29:09
That's going to go three of us are like the three.
00:29:13
Yeah.
00:29:14
So.
00:29:15
But you know, the wait, would you go out with Nancy if I set it up, will you go out with her?
00:29:19
Oh, with absolutely.
00:29:22
Let me get her on the phone.
00:29:23
I would love to have dinner with her, but you know what, I will also say there are several other women that were on the show that I would love to have dinner with also have a nice conversation.
00:29:36
Speak.
00:29:37
Who?
00:29:38
Come on.
00:29:39
Hi.
00:29:40
I've already asked you out twice, guys, you still haven't said yes.
00:29:44
Well, let's see, I don't know if you know it, but Susan, could you, could you talk to Kathy for me?
00:29:51
Kathy, could you talk to Susan for me?
00:29:53
We can do it three way.
00:29:55
You know what?
00:29:56
You learned a lot from your wife and politics.
00:29:58
Let me just tell you that was really smart there, guys.
00:30:00
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00:30:01
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All right.
00:33:09
So what we do is we share some advice with people that write in, would you like to join us on this one?
00:33:17
Absolutely.
00:33:18
We're going to read to you what somebody wrote.
00:33:20
Kathy, I'll have you read it, if you will.
00:33:22
Okay, so this question is from anonymous.
00:33:26
Sometimes people don't like to give their names and we're good on that.
00:33:29
Okay, hi Kathy and Susan, and today guy, I need your help.
00:33:34
I just found out that I, this is right up my alley.
00:33:37
I just found out that I got rejected from my dream college and I'm absolutely crushed.
00:33:43
All of my friends are going to their top schools and it feels like I'm being left behind.
00:33:49
I've decided to go to my local state school for freshman year and I'm just so upset about it.
00:33:55
I was really excited to move somewhere new and have the experience.
00:33:58
All my friends will be having.
00:34:00
What do you suggest I do to feel like I'm not so far behind?
00:34:04
Do you think I could transfer next year?
00:34:06
Just need some direction right now, I guess.
00:34:08
Thank you.
00:34:09
First let me say I was an educational consultant for 35 years, not an ER doc.
00:34:14
So, you know, I can need to answer that question.
00:34:17
I'll take the first crack at this one, first of all anonymous.
00:34:21
You don't feel it right now, but I promise you, it's just like dating.
00:34:25
There's more than one guy for you in the world, there's more than one school for you in the world.
00:34:30
So, things work out for a reason.
00:34:33
Go to that state school, meet your friends, join clubs, you will make a place for yourself.
00:34:40
If you decide, here's the thing about changing schools after your freshman year.
00:34:45
If you don't go and invest in your freshman year and your eye is already on transferring, you're not given that school a fair shake.
00:34:52
So, I would encourage you, go join the clubs, do all the fun things, do enjoy dorm life and all the sorority parties and take every class you want to take.
00:35:03
And then, after a year, you can transfer your junior year if you want, but I would really encourage you to make the most of the situation that you have.
00:35:12
You're going to make great friends, you're going to have great opportunities.
00:35:17
Sometimes things work out this way for a reason.
00:35:19
That would be mine.
00:35:20
So, go and enjoy yourself.
00:35:22
What about you guys?
00:35:23
I would say, you know, similar sentiments.
00:35:27
I would say that if it's your local school where you live, if you have the ability, move into the dorm at the university or move into an apartment,
00:35:38
you know, with some friends.
00:35:40
Like you said, join the clubs, you know, think about sororities, you know, you know a group of people from, let's say, your high school, but you don't know them from the other four high schools that are in town.
00:35:53
And once you go there, you may, you have the ability to make a whole new set of friends.
00:35:58
You don't have to go 500 miles or a thousand miles away to meet a whole new group of people.
00:36:05
No, only guy has to do that to have a date with Nancy, but that's a whole different conversation.
00:36:10
Anonymous.
00:36:11
Okay.
00:36:12
Anonymous work.
00:36:13
I'm not going to college.
00:36:14
I've already done it.
00:36:15
10 years.
00:36:16
Well, your answer, though, is great.
00:36:19
I made the assumption you're absolutely right guy.
00:36:22
Anonymous, please do live into the dorm, move into the dorm or get an apartment because that is such an important aspect of college life.
00:36:29
As really as do the best you can do that first year.
00:36:33
And then it'll be your choice where you want to go.
00:36:36
You'll get it down and get the feel of everything.
00:36:39
And you'll feel better about yourself and decide where you want to go.
00:36:43
Yeah.
00:36:44
It's not even with it.
00:36:45
And I, in my experience, this was, I think, for people at least when my kids like high school also, but I think it applies to college, where you really, at least for me,
00:36:55
where I really felt connected was when I got to my sophomore year.
00:37:02
You're just starting to, you're still trying to steal yourself out.
00:37:06
What do you want to do?
00:37:08
Most of the time, you change majors two or three times your freshman year, right?
00:37:12
Yeah.
00:37:13
Just guy, you could have my job.
00:37:14
Good for you.
00:37:15
Absolutely right.
00:37:16
Yeah.
00:37:17
Absolutely.
00:37:18
So give those things and give them a chance and be all in.
00:37:23
You know, if it doesn't feel right, you know, after, you know, call me anonymous, I'll help you with the, I'll help you with the transfer application call me.
00:37:31
But I think it's totally normal to feel like she's feeling.
00:37:34
You know any people or he?
00:37:35
Yeah.
00:37:36
Yeah.
00:37:37
And have a great time at your local school.
00:37:40
No question.
00:37:41
I will say to you, from a financial point of view, I recommend to students often go to your local or at least an in-state school for your undergrad because so many kids today need to go for a master's or a PhD or a medical or law,
00:37:58
whatever it is.
00:38:00
And you can go to your local school.
00:38:01
It's a lot cheaper.
00:38:02
Get those pre-rex out of the way.
00:38:05
There's a lot of good things about doing that and also, let me just give you another little bit of advice that I used to charge a lot of money for.
00:38:13
Make a name for yourself.
00:38:15
Make a name for yourself at that school because those professors will be the ones that are writing your recs for grad school, helping you get internships.
00:38:24
Make a name for yourself there.
00:38:25
There's nothing wrong with being a big fish and a small local pond.
00:38:29
Yeah.
00:38:30
True.
00:38:31
We're going to get to know God.
00:38:33
What do you think?
00:38:34
Okay.
00:38:35
Okay.
00:38:36
Bring it on.
00:38:37
So if you were stranded on a desert island and could only bring three guys from the mansion who would they be?
00:38:51
Yeah.
00:38:53
Two would be very easy.
00:38:56
So I had the five guys in my room that was Chuck, Charles, Elle, Gary and Michael.
00:39:09
All really great guys.
00:39:10
I know question that Gary and Charles were the closest to people that I connected with.
00:39:21
We got along famously and I love those guys to the death.
00:39:26
And I've talked to Gary several times, Charles not as much because he's so busy.
00:39:33
He's Charles Elle now, right?
00:39:35
He's an icon, you know, maybe he'll talk, but he did reach out and we've talked a little bit.
00:39:43
And I would say the third person Susan, Kathy, they weren't in the mansion.
00:39:52
The men.
00:39:53
The men.
00:39:54
Just for any help, I'm not struggling so much.
00:39:58
You know, I will tell you, I will honestly say Chuck.
00:40:05
He was, because we were, because we went to the end, but we were the two left in our room together at the mansion.
00:40:14
Are you talking to Charles?
00:40:16
Did you have the master suite or were you in one of the smaller ones?
00:40:20
We were in the middle ones, we were in the middle one that had five.
00:40:23
So two bunk beds and a single bed, I got the single bed because that was the oldest.
00:40:28
Wait a second.
00:40:29
I have a question.
00:40:30
Are you talking to Chuck?
00:40:31
Have you talked to Chuck or Joan?
00:40:32
I forgot to ask you that.
00:40:34
Yeah.
00:40:35
I've talked to Chuck several times.
00:40:39
Never as long as I want not as relaxed because he's got so much, he's, he and Joan are moving at warp speed.
00:40:45
Yes.
00:40:46
It takes a lot of time to find a place in New York.
00:40:49
Yeah.
00:40:50
I've not had the opportunity to speak with Joan since the finale and then briefly at the after party.
00:41:02
And, but I have talked to Chuck a few times, but I really want to have that, you know, he's going through so much, but I really want to have that conversation with him because we really became,
00:41:12
it's, we became, we became friends.
00:41:16
We confided in each other a lot and got to experience, you know, we got to share our back stories with, with each other.
00:41:24
And that's how it was with Gary and I, you know, and the back, the back stories are the important part, you know.
00:41:30
That's right.
00:41:31
You know.
00:41:32
All right.
00:41:33
My next question for you is, what would you say is your hidden talent?
00:41:39
Um, okay, outside of medicine, um, that's not hidden.
00:41:45
We all need our doctor.
00:41:47
I would, I would say, um, I have, and it's not as good as it was, but a pretty good, um, memory and unique ability to remember TV theme songs from the '60s and '70s.
00:42:03
Oh.
00:42:04
Oh.
00:42:05
Whoa.
00:42:06
Give me, uh, oh, Susan, let's think of a show in the six Le Verne and Shirley.
00:42:11
Um, to me all, some odds, and then of course, we're going to do it on your marks, get set and go now.
00:42:19
Whoa.
00:42:20
We got a dream that you love.
00:42:21
Let's have Alfonso.
00:42:22
We're gonna make it up.
00:42:23
We're doing it our way.
00:42:24
Anyway.
00:42:25
Give me.
00:42:26
That is a good sound.
00:42:27
That is a good sound.
00:42:28
That is a good sound.
00:42:29
That is a good sound.
00:42:30
All right.
00:42:31
It's a fun fact about yourself.
00:42:33
Say that again.
00:42:34
A fun fact about yourself.
00:42:37
Ooh.
00:42:38
I think you just shared one with us really, but I did.
00:42:44
The fun fact is that I will say, and I, this is really cool about where like social media, Facebook can come, can really be so incredible.
00:42:58
I reconnected because of the show with my first grade teacher from Fort Nell and Mr.
00:43:05
R.
00:43:06
Lincoln, Texas.
00:43:07
And this is a great quest from Roxanne Mehu, and I accepted and I'm sent a message.
00:43:13
I said, could you possibly be Roxanne Mehu, my first grade teacher in 1964, 65?
00:43:19
Well, she asked me, well, and Rune, she's a shaker, actually, she had seen the show.
00:43:28
She saw my nature remember of me because I was in her very first class.
00:43:32
She was no more than 23 years old.
00:43:35
And we reconnected, and so what I will say, the fun fact is that it's hard to believe now.
00:43:46
I was pathologically shy when I was young, probably all the way up into kind of the junior high high school is where I started to make a transition,
00:43:57
but I mean, I was pathologically shy.
00:44:01
Wow.
00:44:02
That's it.
00:44:03
And I asked you, was that a fear because that was one of my questions when you were young, what was your silliest fear?
00:44:09
It sounds like you, you know, being called out might have been a fear of yours if you were that shy.
00:44:14
You know, it's funny.
00:44:15
You're saying this.
00:44:16
Joan said how shy she was on our show when she read that poem, where my girlfriend and I love her dearly doesn't seem shy to me.
00:44:26
Yeah.
00:44:27
Well, the fun fact is that I was pathologically shy then.
00:44:31
I am far from pathologically shy now.
00:44:34
I mean, you can pretty much get me to do almost anything within reason.
00:44:39
I know we have to wrap up, but there's just one more thing.
00:44:42
Is there anything you've always wanted to do, but haven't done yet?
00:44:48
You know, what's interesting, the show, which I did not anticipate any of this clearly did not anticipate the attention,
00:44:59
the number of things.
00:45:01
So I'm having, I have some potential opportunities that are out there right now that I think would just be a black, well,
00:45:11
one of them, you know, I think I talked to Kathy about this is, you know, and I don't know how it's going to turn out, but playing in the AT&T Pebble Beach celebrity pro and golf tournament.
00:45:23
We're going to be there with you.
00:45:24
And I'm sitting there and that is like off the charts.
00:45:28
I mean, I have, I have a lesson scheduled at noon today because all I want to do is not have to yell out four before I even hit the ball.
00:45:36
Mine will be in the water the whole time.
00:45:39
That's okay.
00:45:40
It's all about having fun guy.
00:45:41
It's not about the score.
00:45:42
Trust me.
00:45:43
It's about having fun.
00:45:44
And that's what I.
00:45:45
Yeah.
00:45:46
Okay.
00:45:47
Little things like there's others.
00:45:49
There's another really cool thing that might, might come up that I have the opportunity.
00:45:54
But it's, it's, it's not my daily way.
00:45:57
I mean, these things change my being on the show, I mean, I, you know, I mean, I've been an ER doctor.
00:46:04
I've, I've not done acting.
00:46:06
I've not done podcasts.
00:46:08
I've not done.
00:46:09
I've done podcast.
00:46:10
I'm doing with, I do podcasts.
00:46:12
I did podcasts every day with patients.
00:46:14
Okay.
00:46:15
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:16
And, but not, not to this extent.
00:46:19
And now that we're in the spirit of a brand new year, one, you know, you're going to go pay, play Pebble Beach, right?
00:46:25
Yes.
00:46:26
What are some of the things you want to accomplish this year?
00:46:29
Have you given that any thought?
00:46:31
Yeah.
00:46:32
Um, the answer is yes.
00:46:34
I, first of all, I want to, and this has been hard because I didn't know how much I wanted to do and what I didn't want to do when I first got back from the show.
00:46:45
I was ready to just say, I want to put this all behind me.
00:46:49
And I don't want to think about this.
00:46:51
I want to just move on with my life.
00:46:53
I know having had this experience, I'm having fun.
00:46:56
Yeah.
00:46:57
And I'm, I'm like, 20, 20, 25 has been one of the most fun years that I've ever had.
00:47:07
Getting to do it.
00:47:08
Fun things.
00:47:09
No, he's saying to next year, 2025, I will say to you guy, 20, 22, Susan and I said this at the end of 2023 and 2024 has been a fabulous,
00:47:20
fun year for us.
00:47:21
And we're not stopping 2025 is going to be a great year for all of us, but more to come.
00:47:27
But in the meantime, in the meantime, I hate to, I hate to break up this party.
00:47:31
I know we can talk to him forever.
00:47:33
We could.
00:47:34
This is going to do with that guy for this episode of bachelor happy hours, golden hour.
00:47:39
We really want to thank you guy for coming on and be such a good sport and giving advice.
00:47:43
I didn't even know, I knew you knew about medicine.
00:47:46
Who knew you knew about college counseling?
00:47:48
You're just a, you are a Renaissance man.
00:47:51
I'm going to check right behind you on that golf swing too.
00:47:54
We love getting the chat with you, especially so everybody else could hear your story.
00:47:59
And we'd love to have you back because there's never enough time.
00:48:03
There isn't.
00:48:04
And ask me back any time.
00:48:05
I love this.
00:48:06
Thank you.
00:48:07
Thank you, everybody out there for joining us and I love your show and I love talking to you guys.
00:48:13
It's so.
00:48:14
Thank you.
00:48:15
And we'll let you know how it's day goes when Nancy, but in the meantime, please make sure to submit.
00:48:19
If it doesn't work out, I told you before.
00:48:21
I'm right here, guy.
00:48:23
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00:48:25
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00:48:33
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00:48:35
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00:48:43
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00:48:44
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