Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist, author, and speaker known for his work on the psychology of exponential growth and transformation. He has mastered a highly unique form of strategic psychology and is known for his ability to rapidly scale companies to seemingly impossible levels. The author of several books and cofounder of his rigorous scaling company, Scaling.com, Benjamin helps companies scale 10x or more within three years. His innovative psychological and strategic frameworks are unlike anything else in business right now and are seeking to disrupt both the fields of psychology and business. Benjamin and his wife Lauren have seven children and live in Orlando.

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The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible

Scaling.com/Audiobook

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Highlights

Benjamin introduces the idea that setting ambitious goals can lead to more effective pathways for growth. He explains that when organizations aim for significantly higher targets—such as a tenfold increase in growth—they are compelled to streamline their efforts and eliminate unnecessary complexities. This principle is particularly relevant for church leaders who may feel constrained by traditional metrics of success.

Benjamin emphasizes the importance of aligning daily actions with a higher purpose. He discusses the concept of “raising the floor,” which refers to the necessity of letting go of lower standards and practices that no longer serve the organization’s goals. By doing so, leaders can create a more focused and effective environment for achieving their objectives.

The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of goal-setting, highlighting how the future should shape present actions rather than being dictated by past performance. He shares a compelling story about an audacious missionary baptism goal and how adjusting adjusting and filtering ultimately achieved the goal—illustrating the power of high aspirations and the need for leaders to be willing to say no to less-impactful activities.

Benjamin explores the challenges church leaders face in maintaining focus amidst competing priorities and discusses the tendency to add more initiatives rather than simplifying and prioritizing efforts. He encourages leaders to define clear, measurable goals that can guide their actions and decision-making processes, along with a call to embrace ambitious goals. By focusing on fewer, higher goals and raising their standards, leaders can unlock the potential within their wards and organizations, ultimately leading to greater success in their missions.

00:04:00 – Applying Scaling Principles to the Church

00:05:20 – The Goal Shapes the Path and System

00:05:50 – The Power of 10x Goals and Short Timelines

00:08:40 – Missionary Work as an Example of Scaling

00:10:50 – The Past and Future as Lenses for the Present

00:14:10 – Operating From the Goal, Not Toward It

00:14:40 – Raising the Floor and Saying No

00:15:30 – Blake’s Missionary Experience and Filtering

00:19:40 – Overcoming the Influence of the Past in Organizations

00:21:50 – Simplicity vs. Complexity

00:23:10 – The Challenge of Too Many Goals in Church Councils

00:24:50 – Focusing on Key Priorities in Leadership

00:28:00 – Defining and Owning Roles in Church Leadership

00:28:50 – Understanding and Raising the Floor

00:31:30 – The Floor as a Standard of Accountability

00:33:30 – Avoiding Guilt from Too Many To-Dos

00:36:10 – Setting Clear, Numeric Goals

00:40:20 – The Future Shapes the Present

00:42:50 – Repentance and Reorienting Towards the Future

00:44:50 – Distancing from Past Self and Growth Mindset

00:48:50 – Measuring Impact and Qualitative vs. Quantitative Goals

00:53:00 – Accountability in Systems and Leadership

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