In this episode, Andrew and I with the help of special guest Dr. Francesc Morales, professor at University of Alabama, unpack what is going on inside and outside of Ukraine. Competing visions of American power and responsibility inform much of the discussion and debate as Andrew and I consider each other's point of view and develop our own in real time. Francesc brings invaluable historical analysis and his Ph'D take on the concept of Translatio Imperii as a means of understanding Putin's otherwise irrational behavior as form of conserving nationalism in a declining power. When we talk about the marketplace of ideas, discussions like this come to mind. Thanks for listening.