Hosts Dr. Maggie Aderin-Pocock and Jason Concepcion shift their gaze to the stars, as the Staircase Project gears up to take flight.

Rounding off this season of the 3 Body Podcast, Jason reconnects with showrunners David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, and Alexander Woo, to discuss the implications of Saul becoming a Wallfacer, and consider where the character’s paths may take them next.

Maggie also talks to fellow space scientist Bobak Ferdowsi, flight engineer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab, and engineering advisor to 3 Body Problem, about the logistics of the Staircase Project, and about how the pair’s love of science fiction shaped their careers.

SPOILER ALERT: We will be covering episodes 7 and 8 of the series, so if you haven’t watched that far yet, be sure to catch up on Netflix now.

The 3 Body Podcast is produced by Netflix and Sony Music Entertainment.