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The timebomb the founding fathers left us

The timebomb the founding fathers left us

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This podcast episode features Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of the Law School at UC Berkeley, discussing his book "No Democracy Lasts Forever." Chemerinsky argues that the Constitution, while a brilliant document, contains flaws that threaten American democracy. He highlights issues like the Electoral College, the unrepresentative Senate, and the difficulty of amending the Constitution. He also criticizes the Supreme Court's current decisions, particularly regarding presidential immunity and campaign finance, arguing that the Court has become a political instrument rather than a neutral arbiter. Chemerinsky explores potential solutions to the Supreme Court's problems, including term limits for justices and an ethics code. He acknowledges the difficulty of amending the Constitution but emphasizes the need for reform. He discusses various proposed constitutional reforms, including a national popular vote for president, allocation of Senate seats based on population, and campaign finance limits. He prioritizes eliminating the Electoral College and the unrepresentative Senate as the most essential reforms. Chemerinsky expresses concern about the sustainability of American democracy in the long term, citing the erosion of trust in government and the increasing polarization of the country. He warns of the potential for a split in the country, similar to the European Union, and the need for serious discussion about constitutional reform.

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00:00:00
Introduction and Sponsor Announcement

This segment introduces the podcast and its sponsor, "Into the Mix," a Ben and Jerry's podcast about joy and justice.

00:01:50
The Constitution's Threat to American Democracy

Erwin Chemerinsky discusses his book "No Democracy Lasts Forever," arguing that the Constitution, while a brilliant document, contains flaws that threaten American democracy. He highlights issues like the Electoral College, the unrepresentative Senate, and the difficulty of amending the Constitution.

00:08:41
The Supreme Court's Role and Its Current State

Chemerinsky discusses the Supreme Court's role in enforcing the Constitution and how its current decisions, particularly regarding presidential immunity and campaign finance, pose a threat to democracy. He argues that the Court has become a political instrument rather than a neutral arbiter.

00:28:31
Addressing the Supreme Court's Issues

Chemerinsky explores potential solutions to the Supreme Court's problems, including term limits for justices and an ethics code. He acknowledges the difficulty of amending the Constitution but emphasizes the need for reform.

00:34:01
Constitutional Reforms and Their Urgency

Chemerinsky discusses various proposed constitutional reforms, including a national popular vote for president, allocation of Senate seats based on population, and campaign finance limits. He prioritizes eliminating the Electoral College and the unrepresentative Senate as the most essential reforms.

00:37:44
The Future of American Democracy

Chemerinsky expresses concern about the sustainability of American democracy in the long term, citing the erosion of trust in government and the increasing polarization of the country. He warns of the potential for a split in the country, similar to the European Union, and the need for serious discussion about constitutional reform.

Keywords

Constitution of the United States


The supreme law of the United States, adopted in 1787, establishing the framework for the federal government and defining the basic rights of citizens.

Electoral College


A system for electing the President of the United States, where each state is allocated a number of electors based on its population. The candidate who wins the majority of electoral votes wins the presidency, even if they lose the popular vote.

Senate


The upper house of the United States Congress, with each state having two senators regardless of population. This system gives disproportionate power to less populous states.

Supreme Court of the United States


The highest federal court in the United States, responsible for interpreting the Constitution and resolving disputes between states.

Judicial Review


The power of the Supreme Court to declare laws unconstitutional, established in the case of Marbury v. Madison (1803).

Originalism


A method of interpreting the Constitution based on the original intent of the framers, often used by conservative justices.

Term Limits


Restrictions on the number of terms that an elected official can serve in office.

Ethics Code


A set of rules or guidelines that govern the conduct of individuals in a particular profession or organization.

Q&A

  • What are the main flaws in the Constitution that Erwin Chemerinsky argues threaten American democracy?

    Chemerinsky identifies several flaws, including the Electoral College, the unrepresentative Senate, the difficulty of amending the Constitution, and the choices made regarding race and slavery.

  • How has the Supreme Court become a threat to democracy, according to Chemerinsky?

    Chemerinsky argues that the Court has become a political instrument, making decisions that undermine democratic principles, such as granting broad presidential immunity and limiting campaign finance regulations.

  • What are some potential solutions to the problems with the Supreme Court?

    Chemerinsky suggests term limits for justices and an ethics code as possible reforms. He acknowledges the difficulty of amending the Constitution but emphasizes the need for change.

  • What are the most urgent constitutional reforms, in Chemerinsky's view?

    Chemerinsky prioritizes eliminating the Electoral College and the unrepresentative Senate as the most essential reforms, although he acknowledges the difficulty of achieving them.

  • What does Chemerinsky mean when he says that American democracy is not sustainable in the long term?

    Chemerinsky expresses concern about the erosion of trust in government, the increasing polarization of the country, and the potential for a split in the country, similar to the European Union. He believes that these factors threaten the future of American democracy.

Show Notes

The US Constitution is a brilliant political document, but it’s far from perfect. This week’s guest, Erwin Chemerinsky, argues that many of today’s threats to democracy are a direct result of compromises made by the Founding Fathers centuries ago. Those mistakes have come back to haunt us, and they might destroy our democracy.

Erwin Chemerinsky’s latest book is No Democracy Lasts Forever.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Erwin Chemerinsky

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The timebomb the founding fathers left us

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