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Thune and Trump hit the skids

Thune and Trump hit the skids

Update: 2026-03-13
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This podcast episode delves into several key political developments. It begins with a discussion on the "Save America Act," highlighting the strained relationship between Senate Majority Leader John Thune and Donald Trump over its potential passage. Thune expresses skepticism about securing enough Senate votes, particularly for a "talking filibuster," a procedural tactic that requires senators to hold the floor to block legislation. The effectiveness and potential pitfalls of this filibuster method are explored, with concerns that it could lead to unfavorable amendments. The dynamic between Thune and Trump is examined, noting their differences but also Thune's pragmatic approach. The conversation then shifts to Senator James Lankford, who discusses the immense daily costs of ongoing conflicts, estimating them at a billion dollars, and stresses the need for supplemental funding. He also states his intention to remain neutral in the Oklahoma Senate race. Finally, the episode covers Senator Dick Durbin's bill to prevent Social Security trust funds from investing in cryptocurrency, signaling a potential shift in Democratic policy on digital assets. The podcast also includes sponsorship messages from McKinsey and Company, emphasizing their work in tackling complex problems and driving positive change.

Outlines

00:00:00
Political Maneuvers: Save America Act, Filibusters, and Key Senate Figures

The podcast opens with a discussion of Donald Trump's "Save America Act" and the challenges it faces in the Senate, particularly concerning the relationship between Trump and Senate Majority Leader John Thune. The concept and implications of a "talking filibuster" are explored as a potential, yet debated, strategy for advancing or blocking legislation. Thune's pragmatic approach to navigating disagreements with Trump is highlighted. The episode also features insights from Senator James Lankford regarding the substantial financial needs for ongoing conflicts, emphasizing the necessity of supplemental funding bills. Lankford also clarifies his non-involvement in the Oklahoma Senate race. Lastly, the discussion covers Senator Dick Durbin's legislative proposal to prohibit Social Security trust funds from investing in cryptocurrency, indicating a significant stance on digital asset regulation. Sponsorship messages from McKinsey and Company are interspersed throughout, detailing their work in problem-solving and societal impact.

00:05:45
Senator James Lankford on Conflict Funding and Oklahoma Politics

Senator James Lankford provides insights into the significant financial demands of current global conflicts, estimating daily costs at approximately one billion dollars and underscoring the critical need for supplemental funding. He also declares his intention to abstain from involvement in the Oklahoma Senate race, requesting that the interim appointee not be a "jerk."

00:07:18
Durbin's Bill Targets Crypto in Social Security Funds

The final segment addresses Senator Dick Durbin's legislative initiative to prevent Social Security trust funds from engaging in cryptocurrency investments. This move is presented as a notable action by a cryptocurrency skeptic and potentially indicative of future Democratic policy directions concerning digital assets.

Keywords

Save America Act


A legislative priority for Donald Trump, this act faces significant opposition and a lack of sufficient votes in the Senate, particularly concerning the implementation of a talking filibuster. Its passage is uncertain due to internal Republican disagreements.

Talking Filibuster


A procedural tactic in the Senate requiring a senator to hold the floor to block legislation. While intended to allow extended debate, concerns exist that it could lead to amendments that derail the original intent of a bill, as discussed in relation to the Save America Act.

John Thune


Senate Majority Leader whose relationship with Donald Trump is reportedly fraying over the Save America Act. Thune appears to be taking a pragmatic approach, acknowledging policy differences and the need for sufficient votes to advance legislation.

James Lankford


Republican Senator from Oklahoma serving on key committees. He discussed the substantial daily costs of ongoing conflicts, the necessity of supplemental funding, and his non-involvement in the Oklahoma Senate race.

Crypto Regulation


The podcast touches upon regulatory concerns regarding cryptocurrency, specifically Senator Durbin's bill to prevent Social Security trust funds from investing in crypto products, signaling potential future policy directions from Democrats.

Q&A

  • What is the main point of contention regarding the "Save America Act" between John Thune and Donald Trump?

    The primary conflict lies in the feasibility of passing the act. Trump considers it his top legislative priority and is pressuring Thune to advance it, while Thune realistically assesses that there are not enough votes in the Senate, especially for a "talking filibuster," to make it happen.

  • What are Senator James Lankford's key insights regarding ongoing conflicts and funding?

    Senator Lankford estimates that maintaining current war paces requires approximately a billion dollars per day, making a supplemental funding bill absolutely necessary. He notes that the administration indicated they would leave supplemental funding discussions 48 hours into the conflict.

  • What is Senator Dick Durbin proposing concerning cryptocurrency?

    Senator Dick Durbin has introduced a bill that would prohibit the Social Security trust funds from investing in crypto products. This move is seen as a significant step by a long-time crypto skeptic and a potential indicator of future Democratic policy stances on digital assets.

  • Why might a "talking filibuster" be problematic for the "Save America Act," according to Senator Langford?

    Senator Langford suggests that a talking filibuster could allow for amendments to the bill. This process might lead to the inclusion of Democratic priorities, potentially making the Save America Act unpalatable to Republicans and thus hindering its passage.

Show Notes

The relationship between Senate Majority Leader John Thune and President Donald Trump is under increasing stress, as the two diverge on legislative strategy and tactics. Anna and Jake discuss the latest wedge between the two leaders.


Plus, what Sen. James Lankford told us on one of our newsiest Fly Out Day episodes yet. 


Watch this episode on YouTube here!


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