The guys are delighted to welcome back special guest Danielle Rios of Totogi this week. Pausing only to acknowledge Danielle’s continued contribution to the pod’s refreshment resources, they get straight into Totogi’s recent initiative to make even the creation of telecoms software ‘AI-native’. Among the topics explored are the pros and cons of automating such things, as well as inevitable concerns about overly powerful and ubiquitous AI, before they eventually move on to give the public clod the same treatment and conclude with a look at Nokia’s recent quarterly earnings report.