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This podcast episode features Corey Wong's 100th episode celebration, with a deep dive into Trey Anastasio's musical journey. They explore Anastasio's diverse influences, from rock and Broadway to classical music, and how these shaped his unique guitar tone and compositional style. The conversation delves into the evolution of Anastasio's gear, particularly his experiences with Dumble, Mesa Boogie, and Fender amplifiers, emphasizing the pursuit of a distinctive sound. They also discuss the philosophy behind expensive gear and the musician's voice being paramount. The latter half focuses on Phish's musical development, including their early arrangements, the concept of improvisation within structure, the significance of "listening exercises," and the importance of intentionality and unity within the band, exemplified by their "Envy" protocol. The episode concludes with reflections on the band's longevity, pre-show rituals, and a preview of the next installment.

Outlines

00:00:00

Introduction, 100th Episode Celebration, and Guest Introduction

Corey Wong celebrates his 100th podcast episode, reflecting on five years of interviews and the recurring advice to create soulful art. He introduces his guest, Trey Anastasio of Phish, highlighting his deep artistic level and the extensive two-part interview.

00:05:03

Early Encounters, Curiosity, and Midwest Roots

Corey recalls meeting Trey Anastasio at Red Rocks, where Anastasio showed interest in touring logistics. They touch upon hockey and Anastasio's family history, including his mother's birth in Des Moines and his grandparents' radio careers.

00:14:49

Guitar Gear Evolution: Dumble, Mesa Boogie, and Fender

The discussion shifts to guitar gear, with Trey Anastasio detailing his journey with amplifiers, including his return to his 1986 rig, experiences with Dumble amps, and long-standing relationships with Mesa Boogie and Fender amps. He explains his preference for Fender-like tones and the responsiveness of Dumble amps.

00:31:43

The Futility of Chasing Tone and Iconic Sounds

Corey reflects on the often futile pursuit of a perfect tone, realizing his unique sound was already established. They discuss how iconic musicians like Brian May and Jack White are inseparable from their signature sounds, and how a musician's skill transcends specific gear, citing examples like James Brown's band relying on backlined equipment.

00:35:58

Discovering a Musical Voice and Diverse Influences

Trey Anastasio discusses discovering his musical voice early on, influenced by a wide range of genres including Led Zeppelin, Broadway musicals, classical composers, and experimental artists. He highlights the impact of live performances by King Crimson, Frank Zappa, and Brian Eno.

00:40:17

Emulating Vocal Tone and Blending Entertainment with Musicality

Trey explains his admiration for Queen and Led Zeppelin, aiming to emulate Brian May's vocal-like guitar tone. He discusses how artists like Zappa and Broadway composers blend entertainment with deep musicality, influencing his own approach to performance and composition.

00:46:14

Arrangement, Improvisation, and Phish's Musical Development

Trey explores the balance between arrangement and improvisation, detailing Phish's early meticulously arranged music and the evolution towards improvisation within a structured harmonic framework. He discusses "listening exercises" and the importance of intentionality in group improvisation.

00:54:31

Maintaining Musical Unity and Pre-Show Rituals

Trey reflects on refining Phish's sound over decades, emphasizing patience and unity, and introduces "Envy" as a tool for achieving musical synchronicity. He describes pre-show rituals, gratitude for the band's longevity, and a heightened love for performing.

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Q&A

• What is the core message Corey Wong has learned from 100 podcast episodes?

  Corey Wong emphasizes the recurring advice from his guests: create compelling, unique art that brings soul-deep fulfillment, rather than solely chasing fame or technical prowess. This focus on authentic expression is key to cutting through the noise.

• How did Trey Anastasio's early musical influences shape his approach to guitar playing and composition?

  Trey Anastasio's diverse influences, from Led Zeppelin and Broadway musicals to classical composers and experimental artists like Brian Eno, fostered an appreciation for soaring melodies, complex harmonies, and vocal-like guitar tones, leading him to develop a unique compositional style and a desire to emulate expressive singing through his instrument.

• What is the significance of "Envy" within the band Phish?

  "Envy" is an internal term used by Phish to encourage musical unity. It signifies a moment where band members focus on playing a single, cohesive idea, ensuring everyone is listening and responding to each other before introducing new elements, prioritizing collective synchronicity.

• How does Trey Anastasio view the relationship between arrangement and improvisation in his music?

  Trey Anastasio views arrangement and improvisation as interconnected. His early, meticulously arranged compositions for Phish laid a foundation for improvisation, encouraging the band to maintain harmonic support and interplay, creating a unique third space that blends structured and spontaneous elements.

• What is the philosophy behind the high cost and perceived value of Dumble amplifiers?

  Dumble amplifiers are seen as rare, hand-built instruments that offer exceptional tone and responsiveness. Their high cost is compared to that of valuable orchestral instruments, suggesting a model of curation and appreciation where the player acts as a temporary steward of a highly prized piece of equipment.

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