In this episode, Chantal and Angelique sit down with the extraordinary Kim Brophey , an applied ethologist, award-winning trainer, and creator of the revolutionary Dog L.E.G.S.® model.

This conversation is a must-listen for both pet professionals and dog guardians everywhere. Together, we explore one of the most important and misunderstood topics in modern dog behaviour: agency. Kim dives into why so many dogs actually need less training, not more, and far more support in having their basic needs, instincts, and welfare considerations fully met.

We talk about what happens when we stop viewing dogs through a narrow “obedience” lens and instead recognize them as complex animals shaped by Learning, Environment, Genetics, and Self (L.E.G.S.). Kim explains how behaviour only makes sense when we understand the whole dog, and why giving dogs more choice and control is central to preventing behavioural problems and improving quality of life.

If you’ve ever wondered why your dog behaves the way they do (or how we can radically improve dog welfare by changing our perspective) this episode will change the way you see dogs forever.