On this episode of the Energy Security Cubed Podcast, Joe and Kelly talk with Shannon Joseph about her recent paper for CGAI "Waiting for Canada to 'Build, Baby, Build'".

Discussed in the podcast:
- https://www.cgai.ca/pp_waiting_for_canada_to_build_baby_build
- https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-the-budget-is-done-start-building-baby

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Guest Bio:
- Shannon Joseph is Chair of Energy for a Secure Future and a Fellow with CGAI

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Host Bio:
- Kelly Ogle is Managing Director of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute
- Joe Calnan is VP Energy and Calgary Operations at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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Reading recommendation:
- "A Tale Of Two Cities", by Charles Dickens: https://www.indigo.ca/en-ca/a-tale-of-two-cities/9780141439600.html

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Interview recording Date: December 12, 2025

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Produced by Joe Calnan. Music credits to Drew Phillips.