President Trump’s coming for NPR and PBS! Jenna and Dom get into what’s behind the push to pull their funding, and why it’s part of a bigger culture war play.

Why does “60 Minutes” always seem to get under Trump’s skin, and is there anything he can actually do about it?

Then, in part two of Jenna and Dom’s conversation with journalist and author Rick Perlstein, he lays out how President Ronald Reagan helped rewrite the media rulebook by repealing the Fairness Doctrine and changing how presidents control the media narrative.

And Jenna chats with Kayla Gertie from Media Matters about who’s really dominating online media right now, and why so much political content is hiding in plain sight.




Timecodes:
Start of show – 00:00
NPR and PBS funding fight – 01:42
Trump vs 60 Minutes (again!) – 07:28
Rick Perlstein interview: Reagan and the Media – 12:00
Kayla Gertie from Media Matters – 36:24

You can find Rick Perlstein’s books “Nixonland” and “Reaganland” at bookstore.com.

Links for this episode:

Trump plans order to cut funding for NPR and PBS
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/15/nx-s1-5352827/npr-pbs-public-media-trump-rescission-funding

Trump says CBS should lose license after ‘60 Minutes’ segments on Ukraine, Greenland
https://thehill.com/media/5247488-trump-says-cbs-should-lose-license-after-60-minutes-segments-on-ukraine-greenland/

The right dominates the online media ecosystem, seeping into sports, comedy, and other supposedly nonpolitical spaces
https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly