Summary

 In this episode, Phillip Wylie interviews Wirefall, a
veteran in the pen testing industry, discussing his journey from a curious child to a seasoned professional. They explore the evolution of pen testing tools, the impact of compliance on testing practices, and the importance of
community engagement in cybersecurity. Wirefall shares insights on starting a career in pen testing, the significance of the Dallas Hackers Association, and how improv has transformed his approach to public speaking and adaptability in the field. The conversation emphasizes the need for trust, communication, and a supportive community in the cybersecurity landscape.

Takeaways

•  We are all born hackers, driven by curiosity.


• The evolution of tools has made pen testing both
  easier and more complex.


• Compliance often leads to unrealistic pen
  testing scopes.


• Trust is essential when engaging penetration
  testers.  


• Networking is crucial for career advancement in
  cybersecurity.


• The Dallas Hackers Association fosters community
  and learning.


• Improv can enhance adaptability and public
  speaking skills.


• Community engagement is vital for personal and
  professional growth.


• Ransomware has shifted the focus back to
  full-scope testing.

• Be excellent to each other to maintain a
  positive community.

Sound Bites

•  "We are all born hackers." 


• "DHA is a cyber circus."


• "It's a journey."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Wirefall and Pen Testing Journey

02:10 The Hacker Origin Story

08:34 First Paid Pen Testing Job

11:05 Evolution of Pen Testing Tools

15:31 Compliance and Its Impact on Pen Testing

20:44 Advice for Engaging Pen Testers

25:02 Starting a Career in Pen Testing

27:43 The Dallas Hackers Association

41:30 The Power of Improv in Hacking

52:37 Community and Conduct in Cybersecurity

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