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Let’s be real—hustle culture isn’t working. Ready to trade burnout for balance? If you’re nodding along, this episode is for you!

I recently had the chance to sit down with Cathy Heller for a live interview on Fishbowl Live, and it has so many good nuggets that they agreed to let me share it with you here!

Cathy has this amazing ability to challenge how we think about success and abundance, and as she's also been an incredible mentor for me, I’m thrilled to bring this conversation to the podcast.

In this episode, we talk about letting go of the hustle and embracing a more intentional, aligned way of living. Cathy shares so much wisdom from her book, Abundant Ever After, and we dig into how releasing control and staying authentic can unlock creativity, fulfillment, and opportunities you never expected.

This conversation is a powerful reminder that success isn’t about striving, trying, impressing, or grinding harder—it’s about trusting yourself, staying present, and building a life that feels meaningful and abundant.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

• How setting intentions and letting go of the grind creates space for unexpected opportunities.
• Why hustle culture isn’t the answer—and how to shift to a more aligned way of living.
• The role of authenticity in unlocking creativity and genuine success.
• The importance of balancing ambition with rest, self-care, and inner peace.
• Practical ways to cultivate abundance through gratitude, connection, and trust.

Why This Conversation Matters to Me:
Cathy has been such a guiding light in my journey, and getting to interview her was such a full-circle moment. Her teachings have helped me embrace a life of intention and creativity, and I’m so grateful to share her insights with you.

Resources We Mentioned:

• Cathy Heller’s book Abundant Ever After: CathyHeller.com/book

Connect with Cathy:

• @cathy.heller on Instagram
• CathyHeller.com
• Join her 21-Day Abundance Challenge

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It’s all about getting paid for doing work you love with tangible tools to use in your business right away.

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