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Zodiac Killer /// Part 2 /// 796

Zodiac Killer /// Part 2 /// 796

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This podcast delves into the enigmatic Zodiac Killer case, exploring various suspects and theories. The hosts, Nick and Cannonball Adderly, begin by discussing the challenges of using geographical profiling in this case due to the Zodiac's potential transience. They then explore the unusual nature of the Zodiac's self-chosen moniker, contrasting it with other serial killers who were given names based on their actions. The podcast then examines Arthur Lee Allen, a long-time suspect, analyzing the evidence that supports and contradicts his involvement. The hosts express skepticism about the Case Breakers' claim that Gary Poste is the Zodiac Killer, citing questionable evidence and a reliance on a composite sketch. They also dismiss Joseph James DeAngelo, the Golden State Killer, as an unlikely suspect due to differences in their crime patterns and motives. Mark, a guest on the podcast, presents his theory that Theodore Kaczynski, the Unabomber, is the Zodiac Killer. He supports his conclusion with evidence such as similarities in their crime patterns, the use of bombs, and their shared interest in mathematics. The hosts engage in a hypothetical "speed date" scenario, presenting Mark's key arguments for Kaczynski being the Zodiac. They discuss the timeline of Kaczynski's life, his bomb-making skills, and his efforts to disguise his identity. The hosts also discuss John Douglas's profiling of the Zodiac Killer and his observations about Ted Kaczynski. They highlight Douglas's recognition of the Zodiac's intelligence and meticulousness, which aligns with Kaczynski's personality and skills. The episode concludes with an emphasis on the importance of open discussion and debate in unsolved cases, acknowledging the compelling evidence presented by Mark.

Outlines

00:00:13
Introduction and Beer Run

The podcast hosts introduce the episode, thank listeners, and mention their sponsor, Standard Deviant Brewing.

00:02:34
Discussing the Zodiac Killer

The hosts discuss the Zodiac Killer case, focusing on geographical profiling and the origin of the Zodiac moniker.

00:07:41
The Zodiac Moniker and its Meaning

The guest, Mark, explains the unusual nature of the Zodiac's self-chosen moniker and explores theories about its meaning.

00:15:14
Arthur Lee Allen: Evidence and Contradictions

The hosts discuss Arthur Lee Allen, a long-time suspect, analyzing the evidence that supports and contradicts his involvement.

00:26:00
The Case Breakers and Gary Poste

The hosts discuss the Case Breakers' claim that Gary Poste is the Zodiac Killer, expressing skepticism about their findings.

00:31:09
Joseph James DeAngelo: An Unlikely Suspect

The hosts discuss Joseph James DeAngelo, the Golden State Killer, and conclude that he is unlikely to be the Zodiac.

00:36:12
Mark's Suspect: Theodore Kaczynski

Mark reveals his theory that Theodore Kaczynski, the Unabomber, is the Zodiac Killer, presenting evidence to support his conclusion.

00:47:47
Speed Dating with Ted Kaczynski

The hosts engage in a hypothetical "speed date" scenario, presenting Mark's key arguments for Kaczynski being the Zodiac.

Keywords

Geographical Profiling


A technique used in criminal investigations to analyze the spatial patterns of crimes to predict the perpetrator's likely location of residence or work.

Zodiac Moniker


The self-chosen name adopted by the Zodiac Killer, which remains a mystery despite numerous theories about its meaning.

Arthur Lee Allen


A long-time suspect in the Zodiac case, known for his possession of a Zodiac watch, claims made by a former coworker, and his attention-seeking behavior.

Case Breakers


A group of independent investigators who claim to have identified Gary Poste as the Zodiac Killer, but their findings have been met with skepticism due to questionable evidence.

Joseph James DeAngelo


The Golden State Killer, whose crime patterns and motives differ significantly from those of the Zodiac, making him an unlikely suspect.

Theodore Kaczynski


The Unabomber, who Mark believes is the Zodiac Killer, based on similarities in their crime patterns, use of bombs, and shared interest in mathematics.

John Douglas


A legendary retired FBI agent and criminal profiler who recognized the Zodiac's intelligence and meticulousness, aligning with Kaczynski's personality and skills.

Q&A

  • What are the challenges of using geographical profiling in the Zodiac case?

    The Zodiac's potential transience and his deliberate efforts to create a sense of widespread fear make it difficult to pinpoint his likely location of residence.

  • Why is the Zodiac's self-chosen moniker so unusual?

    Unlike other serial killers who were given names based on their actions, the Zodiac's name remains a mystery, adding to the intrigue of the case.

  • What evidence supports Arthur Lee Allen's involvement in the Zodiac case?

    Allen possessed a Zodiac watch, a former coworker claimed he wanted to kill people and call himself the Zodiac, and his personality traits aligned with some aspects of the Zodiac's behavior.

  • What are the main arguments against Gary Poste being the Zodiac Killer?

    The Case Breakers' reliance on a composite sketch with questionable accuracy and the lack of concrete evidence linking Poste to the crimes raise doubts about their findings.

  • Why is Joseph James DeAngelo an unlikely suspect in the Zodiac case?

    DeAngelo's crime patterns and motives, including his involvement in burglary and rape, differ significantly from those of the Zodiac.

  • What evidence supports Mark's theory that Theodore Kaczynski is the Zodiac Killer?

    Similarities in their crime patterns, the use of bombs, their shared interest in mathematics, and the timeline of Kaczynski's life all point towards a possible connection.

  • What did John Douglas observe about the Zodiac Killer's intelligence and skills?

    Douglas recognized the Zodiac's intelligence and meticulousness, particularly his ability to create complex codes and his potential for bomb-making.

  • Why is open discussion and debate important in unsolved cases?

    It allows for the exploration of different theories and perspectives, potentially leading to new insights and breakthroughs in the investigation.

Show Notes

Zodiac Killer /// Part 2 /// 796 


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This is the Zodiac speaking… the words of a killer.  The haunting words of a killer determined to terrorize and taunt the public in and around the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 60s and early 70s.  We featured this case at length a few years back with “The Zodiac” parts 1 through 5.  Those episodes are available for your listening pleasure and are True Crime Garage episodes #470 to #474, released March 9th through March 17th 2021.  This week we revisit one of the most infamous unsolved and unidentified serial killer cases in all of True Crime.  The Zodiac killer serial murder case.  To help us further investigate we are joined by Zodiac expert Dr. Mark Hewitt.  Mark has authored a Zodiac trilogy with his series The Zodiac Serial Killer. The trilogy is available everywhere you buy books with books:
Hunted - The Zodiac Serial Killer - book one - The Zodiac Murders 
Profiled - The Zodiac Serial Killer - book two - The Zodiac Examined  
Exposed - The Zodiac Serial Killer - book three - The Zodiac Revealed 
Now his book Obsessed: my relentless pursuit of the Zodiac killer is available. 

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Zodiac Killer /// Part 2 /// 796

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