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Success is Subjective: Helping parents of college students accept that dropping out is okay

Author: Joanna Lilley, MA, NCC

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Interviews of people who took a break from life at one point or another to get help, grow up, or just to reassess their life direction. Some guests struggled with depression, anxiety, substance abuse, a death in the family, or just decided college was not the place for them. These stories are all-to-real, and yet we don't talk enough about how common it is for those who took a gap year to defer college, went to college and took a break, or those who struggled launching into the workforce post-college graduation. This goes out to all the young adults and parents of young adults who are struggling and contemplating what will happen if they walk away right now.
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On this week's episode of Success is Subjective, host Joanna Lilley has an amazing guest on the show, Lynne Pedersen. Lynne is a leader in the adolescent mental health field. She developed the foundation that enabled two adolescent residential programs to emerge as the largest and finest in the nation. She is passionate about the advancement of mental health services in teens and young adults. In this podcast, she talks about the void in the support landscape for our youth and shares about her journey to success and the events that lead her to where she is now.Connect with Lynne PedersenOne On CampusOne On Campus on YoutubeATC RetreatsConnect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Lilley Consulting on YouTubeEmail: joanna@lilleyconsulting.com #therapeuticconsulting #lilleyconsulting #successful #troubledteens #theraputicprograms #youngadults #depression #atcretreats #oneoncampus  #adolescentmentalhealth  #therapy #mentalhealth #podcast #podcastcommunity #thejourney #successissubjective 
On this week's episode of Success is Subjective, host Joanna Lilley has a great guest and good friend, Chloe Abedin-Kruskol on the show.  Choe was actively involved with social justice at a young age. She volunteered at a camp for children and families affected by HIV/Aids. She has worked in many community mental health spaces focusing on court mandated clients and partnering in law enforcement offices to bring trauma informed services to Los Angeles' most vulnerable populations. She specializes in transgenerational trauma and has written a thesis about it. Listen as shares her incredible journey to success!  Connect with Chloe Abedin-KruskolLaunch CentersEmail chloe@launchcenters.com Connect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Lilley Consulting on YouTubeEmail joanna@lilleyconsulting.com #therapeuticconsulting #lilleyconsulting #publicmentalhealthprograms #successful #success #theraputicprograms  #nonprofit #socialjustice #communitymentalhealthprograms #familyprograms  #therapy #mentalhealth #podcast #podcastcommunity #education #intergenerationaltrauma #volunteer #familyintegration #successissubjective
This week Joanna is joined by Josh Miller, Director of Family and Referral Communications at Choice House in Boulder, CO on this episode of Success is Subjective. With over 11 years in the behavioral health industry and a person in long term recovery due to mental health struggles and severe substance abuse, Josh has dedicated his life and career to helping others and their families get the help they need. His greatest passion and purpose is seeing family systems move from chaos to solutions and matching resources with their needs. Connect with Josh MillerChoice HouseChoice House on InstagramJosh Miller on InstagramEmail: josh@choicehouse.com Phone: 205-306-3742Connect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Lilley Consulting on YouTubeEmail joanna@lilleyconsulting.com 
On this week's episode of Success is Subjective, host Joanna Lilley has special guest Vashti Summervill on the show to discuss how she created success in her life by setting goals and getting them done. Vashti has a long list of successes such as educator, PCI, certified parent coach, author, musician, therapeutic consultant, and a mindfulness based stress reduction instructor. Her passion is to help others cultivate resilience in the world we find ourselves in. She also shares how music helped her through the grief of losing a parent and how important it is to her.Connect with Vashti SummervillVashti SummervillVashti Summervill on InstagramVashti Summervill on FacebookAlbum: Put My Love In A Picture on SpotifyBook: Letters From the Wilderness of Modern ParentingFamily Healing Pathways - Vashti SummervillConnect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Lilley Consulting on YouTubeEmail: joanna@lilleyconsulting.com 
On this week's episode of Success is Subjective, host Joanna Lilley has guest Colin MacDonald on the show. From college, work in professional sports, tech sales and then he stepped into his passion by founding Not Therapy Life Coaching. His approach to mentorship is rooted in personal expertise and empowers young people because he can relate to them. In his adolescent life, Colin battled with severe depression, suicidal ideation, drug and alcohol abuse and failing out of school. He was sent to wilderness treatment and therapeutic boarding school. From that, he has made it his life passion to help others who are struggling with similar circumstances. Connect with Colin MacDonaldNot Therapy CoachingBook a CallColin on InstagramConnect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Lilley Consulting on YouTubeEmail: joanna@lilleyconsulting.com 
On this week's episode of Success is Subjective, host Joanna Lilley has special guest Dr. Heather Tracy on the show.  Dr. Tracy is the co-founder and executive director of Costa Rica’s New Summit Academy boarding school, the Bridge young adult program, the Pathfinder Gap program, and the Supportive Immersion Institute. She was a presidential scholar at St. Louis University where she received an honors BA in Psychology and French. She also attended Harvard graduate school and education and completed a Masters in education with a focus on Culture and Human Development specifically focusing on at-risk adolescence. She is passionate about designing effective learning experiences for non-traditional learners. She has also lived in Costa Rica since 2002 and is tri-lingual.Connect with Heather TracySupportive Immersion Institute                  Supportive Immersion Institute on Facebook              New Summit Academy                                  New Summit Academy on Facebook           New Summit Academy on Instagram       New Summit Academy on LinkedIn The Bridge Costa Rica   The Bridge Young Adults on Facebook            The Bridge Young Adults on Instagram        Pathfinder Gap Program              Pathfinder on Instagram Pathfinder on  LinkedIn          Connect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: No one currently! Let me know if you're interested in sponsoring!Email joanna@successissubjective.org #therapeuticconsulting #lilleyconsulting #pathfindercr #newsummitacademycr #youngadults #thebridgeyoungadultscr #supportiveimmersioninstitute #atriskteens  #humandevelopment #psychology #podcast #podcastcommunity #thejourney #successissubjective
On today's episode, Bogie Foden joins Joanna on the show. Bogie grew up in a town where there were 160 people in his graduating class.  In his community, it was expected that after graduation everyone would go to a 4 year college and get a good degree. After touring the campus at the University of Colorado in Boulder, he decided that this was where he wanted to be. During freshman year he ended up getting suspended and ended up attending a community college where he learned much about life. He shares that his classmates were adults and parents of all ages that were working full time and some multiple jobs while attending college to get their degrees. This was definitely an eye opening experience for him that helped shape him into the person he is today as well as his career path in clinical social work, residential treatment and wilderness therapy.Connect with Bogie Foden Bogie Foden on FacebookSpruce Mountain InnConnect with Joanna Lilley  Therapeutic Consulting AssociationLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Email: joanna@lilleyconsulting.com#therapeuticconsulting #lilleyconsulting #collegementalhealth #communitycollege #socialworker #wildernesstherapy #residentialtreatment #collegesuccess  #colorado #psychology #podcast #podcastcommunity #youarenotalone #findingmyway 
Today’s farewell episode of Success is Subjective is a special conversation, featuring Joanna Lilley’s personal story of how she got to where she is today. Joanna shares that while she was set on going to college, once there, she struggled to find what she was passionate about, until a professor championed her towards her current path. Working in numerous therapeutic capacities, Joanna had her sights set on eventually opening her own consulting firm. Reflecting on the last 199 episodes of this podcast, Joanna expresses her vision for what’s next on her journey. Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@lilleyconsulting.com
Today’s episode of Success is Subjective features a meaningful conversation between Joanna, and Danny Conroy. Danny shares what it was like for him to overcome numerous challenges, including childhood abuse, his parents divorce, plus losing a child and a best friend. While the odds have been stacked against him since a young age, Danny is here to encourage listeners that it’s never too late to lead the life you want. He explains the therapeutic work he has been involved with for a number of years, and how he’s helping young people overcome their life circumstances to define and achieve success for themselves. If you feel as though you’re facing an impossible situation, or you’re struggling to find your purpose, this episode will encourage you and will leave you feeling empowered. Connect with Danny ConroyDanny’s websitedanny@aimhouse.comAIM House madelife https://fitmint.us/Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Growing up in Long Island, New York, the academic heat was on for Brian. Attending a very competitive high school, then enrolling in a college that was even more academically rigorous, was only the very beginning of the challenges that awaited. Today’s episode of Success is Subjective features an honest look at the relentless pursuit of Brian Frumberg as he fully submerged himself in the world of venture capital. Brian shares his recipe for success with listeners, that took him from an inexperienced young man to a highly sought after businessman. Connect with Brian FrumbergVentureOutInstagram: @ventureoutnyFacebook: VentureOutConnect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
From a young age, Amanda Koplin was highly ambitious, with a desire to pursue multiple career paths. While struggling in high school and only coming out with a 2.6 GPA, Amanda had to fight her way into college. Eventually realizing that she wanted to work in the therapeutic world, Amanda honed in on her studies, keeping the end goal in mind. On today’s episode of Success is Subjective, Amanda shares her various business endeavors with Joanna, and her tremendous heart for helping people heal and overcome. She encourages listeners with sage advice regarding a multitude of matters, including having the courage to try, the continual pursuit of success, and deciding your own fate. Connect with Amanda Koplin Koplin Consulting amanda@koplinconsulting.com Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
This episode of Success is Subjective features a conversation between Joanna and Will White. Will has worked in the mental health field for over 25 years. Today, he’s sharing with listeners how he got to where he is now as an author, mental health advocate and consultant. Will also describes how the modalities and methods used in the mental health profession are continually changing and evolving, and explains why it’s important to be open minded and grow with the changes. Connect with Will White Summit Achievement Stories from the Field Stories From the Field (book) White Mountain Adventure Institute will@storiesfromthefield.com Additional LinksStories From the Field, Episode 160 with Joanna LilleyStories From the Field, Episode 45 with Joanna Lilley Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Growing up in rural Utah, Brian came from humble beginnings. While hard working, his parents still struggled to make ends meet. Wanting a better quality life for their son than they could provide, Brian’s parents pushed him towards higher education. From a freak accident that cost his sports career, to serving a two year mission, to multiple attempts at college and everywhere in between, Brian shares his anything-but-linear journey. He explains how he eventually came to be a founder of At The Crossroads and shares the work they are doing to help young adults find their way in life. Connect with Brian VirginShannon: 435.862.0010At The Crossroads Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Showing symptoms of ADHD and anxiety by 8th grade, it wasn’t long until Adam McLean’s educational journey came to an abrupt end. From dropping out of high school, to dependence on multiple drugs, to jail time and many other choices and challenges, Adam spent many years consumed by a life of trauma. Today’s episode of Success is Subjective shares the powerful story of one man who overcame impossible odds. Tune in to hear how hope can find its way into the most unlikely of situations through Adam’s inspiring testimony. Connect with Adam McLeanAdam’s Cell: 928.600.5488 Instagram: @theguesthouseocalaFacebook: The Guest House OcalaThe Guest House Other Resources: The Hero with a Thousand FacesStar Wars Trilogy Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Today’s episode of Success is Subjective is both a heartfelt and inspiring conversation between Joanna and her guest, Neal Williams. Neal shares openly about how his battle with addiction almost cost him his very life. Bouncing around from schools and treatment centers wasn’t enough to set him straight, but Neal explains the pivotal moment that finally changed everything. Tune in to hear how an unlikely setting was just what Neal needed to turn his life around, and also to learn about the incredible work he is doing today as he helps others who are struggling. Connect with Neal WilliamsElevated Lifestyle Academy Instagram: @elevatedlifestyle_academyFacebook: Elevated Lifestyle Academy YouTube: Elevated Lifestyle AcademyBook: Letters Home: A Journey Into RecoveryConnect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Floating around, struggling to figure out what his purpose was, John’s friends jokingly nicknamed him “lost boy.” Which was fitting at the time, but also a moment that allowed John the gift of self-reflection. He started asking himself what he wanted to do with his life and more importantly, who he wanted to be. From boarding school, to private school, to substance use and fraternities, John slowly learned who he was by first learning who he wasn’t. Tune in to today’s episode of Success is Subjective to hear how fate can find you when you least expect it. Connect with John WintonBreakwater Expeditions Echo Springs Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Growing up in Kansas City, Missouri, Josh Flaherty knew from a young age that post-secondary education was a must. An addiction that first began in high school and continued through college, eventually caught up with Josh and forced him to face himself after he had an established career in the music industry. On today’s episode of Success is Subjective, Josh shares with listeners what that pivotal moment in his life was like. He also explains how choosing to heal led him down a different path than he ever expected.Website: Adventure RecoveryInstagram: @adventurerecoveryFacebook: Adventure RecoveryEmail:  info@adventurerecovery.comConnect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Have you ever felt like there isn’t a job that’s just right for you? What if you could curate a career that’s perfectly tailored toward your unique strengths and interests? Today’s Success is Subjective guest, Andrew Tepper, did exactly that. Andrew shares how he merged his passion and curiosity to unlock his calling in the world of integrative therapy. He gives listeners his best advice for stepping away from societal pressure and tuning in to their unique passions. Connect with Andrew TepperEmail: info@bodatherapy.com Email: atepper@bodytherapy.com Website: www.bodatherapy.com Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Today’s episode of Success is Subjective is a conversation between Joanna and sisters Sally and Lyle McClain. Sally and Lyle reflect on their individual journeys of overcoming trauma, which eventually led them to running a business together. They encourage listeners to lean into the discomfort of changing plans and close with a powerful message that even when life feels off track, you might be on the brink of something beautifully unexpected. Connect with Lyle and Sally McClainMentoring website: bridgethegapservices.com Phone: (805) 558-4599Email: btg@bridgethegapservices.comInstagram: @bridgethegapservicesFacebook: Bridge the Gap ServicesLyle’s therapy practice: https://www.therapywithlyle.com/Lyle’s email: lyle@therapywithlyle.com Sally’s therapy practice: https://sallymcclaintherapy.com/Sally’s email: sallym@bridgethegapservices.com Other Links: Video: Kid Hits Head on Slide Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
Today’s episode of Success is Subjective is a conversation between Joanna and her guest, Cade Ruzzuto. Cade is the executive chef at a treatment facility geared toward trauma and addiction recovery. He shares his passion for food and the importance of people identifying the link between nutrition and their mental health. While mental health was historically seen as a segregated issue, Cade sheds light on the integral role food plays in aiding and upholding a person’s overall health, including their mental health. Connect with Cade RizzutoCorner Canyon Email: cade@cornercanyonhc.com IG: @caderizzuto Connect with Joanna Lilley  Success is Subjective WebsiteLilley Consulting WebsiteLilley Consulting on Facebook Sponsored by: College AlternativeEmail joanna@successissubjective.org 
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