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Is there any hope at all of building and maintaining a free society? If so, how? If you are among "the remnant", this might be the show for you. See blog & discussion at: https://bretigne.substack.com/
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I speak with Kevin McKernan about the recent Project Veritas video in which a Pfizer employee claims that the company is contemplating directed evolution experiments with the SARS-Cov-2 virus. Kevin walks us through the reasoning behind his view that we are already witnessing a massive directed-evolution experiment in the real world, as a result of the medical interventions introduced in response to Covid-19. We also talk about the some of the fundamental problems that lie at the heart of ...
I speak with Wayne and Kathy Hicks of Liberty Dollar Financial Association, about Liberty Dollar's history, and its rebirth as a Private Membership Association. If you're looking for solutions to state-controlled money and financial systems, and if you're not entirely sure that Bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency) is the answer, then you need to listen to this episode. Liberty Dollar's new incarnation is truly revolutionary - and it doesn't stop at money and finance. We talk about food security,...
1I spoke with Markus Allen, founder of XClave, a few months back, about his radical concept for creating independent private towns, including plans for an independent currency. At the time, I fully intended to post the episode in a timely manner. Then our family decided to move out of California, and the next few months were a frantic blur. Now, nearly 5 months later, this particular episode is more relevant than ever. With governments seizing the bank accounts of those who oppose their act...
In this episode, I speak with long-time liberty hero and entrepreneur Jeff Tucker, about his launching of the Brownstone Institute in response to the worldwide authoritarian response to Covid-19, and why the Institute's efforts are so needed now. We also talk about one of the primary - but little talked about - driving forces behind racial segregation and the eugenics movement: Fear of infectious disease, and the belief that those of "inferior" races were more likely to be disease vectors th...
Only days after publishing a study comparing long-term health outcomes of vaccinated children to those of unvaccinated children, Dr. Paul Thomas had his medical license suspended by the Oregon Medical Board. Jeremy Hammond's latest book tells Dr. Thomas' story, but is really about much more: Hammond builds the context within which the persecution of Dr. Thomas arose, and in doing so, tells the story of today's health freedom movement. Anyone who wonders where that movement sprung fr...
As director of quality assurance, Roger Koops interacted closely with the FDA for many years. I speak with him in this episode about his experiences, the nature of that agency and about how the regulatory landscape has expanded and become more burdensome over time. He also tells about the time he was tasked with auditing the CDC, what that experience taught him, and what – if anything – that agency is good for. We also discuss the problem of professional myopia in the world of science, and t...
Recently, Jordan Peterson asked who he should have as a guest on his show to talk about Austrian economics, and Gene Epstein's name came up. In this episode, I ask Gene what he would say to Dr. Peterson, or to anyone looking to understand what Austrian economics is all about, what sets it apart from other schools, and why its insights are so important right now. Gene is the former Barrons economics and books editor, and now hosts the Soho Forum. I spoke with him last month about where he thi...
How broken are the systems that evaluate scientific research, and what can be done to fix them? I talk with Dr. James Lyons Weiler about these questions, and about his own contributions to independent research - including his analysis of VAERS data for deaths and anaphylaxis following vaccination for Covid-19, and his participation in the international Nucleaic Acid Amplification Testing Evaluation Consortium (NAATEC), which will evaluate the efficacy of PCR testing for Covid-19. Dr. Weiler'...
I speak with Professor Knut Wittkowski, former head of the Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, about what normally happens with viruses when societies are not locked down, and how locking down may have made things much worse, and especially for those most vulnerable. We also talk about the nutritional supplement he has developed, and how it might help protect against Covid-19 and other respiratory infections, as well as a host of other pro...
When eternal optimist Gene Epstein is worried, you know things are bad. So... is he worried? I speak with the former Barrons economics and books editor, now host of the Soho Forum, about where he thinks we are now, and what is to come. Gene lays out his view for the next few years, backs it up with good data-driven reasons, and talks a little about his own investment strategy. He also explains why I was wrong about hyperinflation in 2008. Gene's article, "The Great Suppression" can be foun...
I speak with independent journalist Jeremy R. Hammond about some of the things he thinks some of those who are critical of the official Covid-19 narratives are getting wrong. We also talk about censorship, and about how to be good news consumers in these crazy times. You can see Jeremy's work, and sign up for his newsletter (which I highly recommend), here.
The last time Kevin McKernan was on the show, he told us about the (devastating) review of the Corman-Drosten PCR methodology that he co-authored. In this episode, he talks about some of the fallout from the review, including a scathing, but imprecise, attack from PCR expert Dr. Stephen Bustin - why that attack is puzzling, and what it tells us about the state of peer review. My previous episode with Kevin, talking about the Corman-Drosten Review, is here. The Corman-Drosten Review Report (...
According to the Oregon Medical Board, pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas is "...a serious danger to the public health..." Oddly, they only discovered this after he published a peer-reviewed study comparing health outcomes of patients who had been vaccinated to those who had not. You can see some of the results of that study here. The study itself is here. The order from the Oregon Medical Board, suspending Dr. Thomas' license, is here. Dr. Thomas' book, "The Vaccine-Friendly Plan" can be...
I speak with unschooling mom and homeschooling advocate Kerry McDonald about an upcoming 4-day webinar to help inspire teens' inner entrepreneurs – and about why it is more critical than ever that we encourage our teens to find ways to create and to contribute now. We also talk about Halloween... FEE's "Entrepreneur Week" is Nov. 16-19, and is FREE. You can sign up here. Kerry's book, "Homeschooling in the Time of Covid-19" is available for download here. Her article "How our Culture Di...
I speak with founder and CSO of Medicinal Genomics, Kevin McKernan, about some of the problems with PCR testing, as well as some of the incentives to produce high positive test numbers, both of which are making it difficult to get a meaningful picture of SARS-Cov2 infections and cases. You can find Kevin on Twitter, and he recently Tweeted about some of these issues here. The paper on molecular mimicry that he mentions is here. The CMS document that spells out penalties for failure t...
I speak with Jeffrey Tucker of the American Institute of Ecomonic Research, about the Great Barrington Declaration - the document created by four esteemed scientists, calling for an end to the lockdowns. Jeff talks about how the idea came about, and about some of the backlash they have faced since the Declaration was released. You can read–and sign–the Great Barrington Declaration here. You can watch the video about the Declaration here. See coverage of some of the attacks on the Declarati...
I speak with Connor Boyack, author of the Tuttle Twins series. He talks about the war that is being waged for our children's minds, why independent thinking is so critical, and gives some positive inspiration for communicating the philosophy of liberty. You can find the Tuttle Twins books here. Connor's Libertas Institute is here. And the book by Milton Meyer, "They Thought They Were Free" is here.
NYU media studies professor, Mark Crispin Miller, recently came under attack for questioning the official narrative on masks in his class on propaganda. We discuss what happened, and talk about the nature of propaganda and why, after all this time, it is still so effective You can find Professor Miller here - and I recommend subscribing to his newsletter for some quality selections of content that is censored elsewhere. ...and you can support his work here. Professor Miller's essay "Maskin...
I speak with independent journalist and filmmaker Brandon Ferdig, about what's really going on in Minneapolis in the aftermath of the riots, and about his upcoming documentary about why our society seems more divided than ever before. One year ago, the polarization of American politics was on vivid display at Trump's re-election kick-off event in Minneapolis. Here Brandon Ferdig interviewed eager attendees and angry demonstrators; he captured the protests outside and scenes from the rally fl...
I speak with educator and activist, Peggy Hall, about the legality (or lack thereof) of CA Governor Newsom's "orders" to shut down businesses and force people to wear masks. We also talk about what increasingly appears to be an executive-branch takeover of the government in California, and what you can do to stop it. Peggy's website: The Healthy American. You can see Peggy's videos here. A book everyone should read: Life and Death in Shanghai. The New California State, which Peggy talks ...
I talk with Sara Brady, the Idaho mom who was arrested for "trespassing" on a park playground that had been closed off as part of that state's lockdown measures. We discuss what happened on that day, her upcoming court battle, and a question each of us needs to be asking ourselves in these times: Where do we draw the line against tyranny? The video of what happened is here. News coverage is here. And you can contribute to Sara's legal defense here.
I speak with independent journalist Jeremy R. Hammond about the nonsensical and devastating government actions in response to Covid-19, why a vaccine may not be the answer, and the opportunity this represents for educating about health freedom and problems with medical orthodoxy. You can find Jeremy's work here. And you can see his recent series of videos on Covid-19 here.
I speak with Kevin McKernan, CSO of Medicinal Genomics, about some of the problems with the peer review process, and how blockchain technology can provide a solution. Links discussed in the episode: Nature Biotech article Cannabis Genomic Blockchain on DASH Cryptocurrency Incentivized, Blockchain Recorded Peer Review (CIBR)
I interview Stefan Raymond, a Canadian who has lived in South Korea for nine years. We chat about some of the differences between how the Covid-19 outbreak has been handled in the US vs. in South Korea, as well as how people living in both places have reacted to it all. You can read Stefan's blog here, and the blog post I mention in this podcast is here. After recording this podcast, I was struck by something that I had kind of forgotten about in all the years since moving back to the US fro...
I talk with Jeff Tucker about how governments around the world have responded to the threat of the Covid-19 virus, whether the response of the US government has been warranted, how that response will impact our society and the people living in it, and whether there is any hope for liberty in these times. Jeff is editorial director for the American Institute for Economic Research, where you can find analysis about the economic impact of all of this that you are unlikely to find anywhere else....
I speak again with RN and medical-freedom activist Sierra Hamm, about what's going on in the world of protecting the blood supply and helping folks to access blood that is not contaminated with the mRNA product. We discuss her organization, Reconciliation, and what it's been up to, as well as some legislation she's been helping to develop. We also talk about why blood banks are cracking down on directed donations, and what they really do with all the blood they are given! Most importantly, we...
As RFK Jr. is grilled by a roomful of politicians about his plans to re-shape public health agencies, I speak with classical homeopath Sarah Thompson about how we got to this point. We talk about the history of the political takeover of medical practice, education, and research, including the founding of the AMA and the economic incentives behind this power grab. We also talk specifically about homeopathy, and about the long-standing relentless assault on this particular modality by the m...
Tom Luongo likes to pull on threads. He keeps pulling no matter where they take him, even they lead places that challenge some of the most deeply held convictions of libertarians. In this episode, we talk (again) about Tom's view that – in this particular moment in time – we might want to be cheering for the US Federal Reserve, because it could be that it is fighting a beast that is much bigger, more dangerous, and has the potential to centralize power over our lives in ways that even the Fe...
In this episode, I speak with Dr. Clinton Ohlers, Vice President and Director of Media Relations for SafeBlood, an organization that helps to match donors with recipients in need of blood that does not contain components of an mRNA injection. We talk about why there is a need for "safe" blood donations, and how SafeBlood works. We also discuss the development of a test to determine whether or not blood has been contaminated by the mRNA product. We also talk about the impact of censorship an...
In this episode, I speak with economist Dale Steinreich about our dysfunctional health-care system (in the US), and about health insurance in particular. What is wrong with health insurance? Why does it so often seem to operate against the interests of its consumers, rather than for their benefit? Does this represent some kind of failure of the free market? Or is something else at work here? We go into the nature of health "insurance" in an interventionist marketplace, and the history of ho...
In April of 2021, then-Labour-leader Keir Starmer visited the city of Bath on one of those visits where politicians walk around a place and pretend to care about the people who live there. He wasn’t prepared for what Bath resident, and proprietor of The Raven Pub, Rod Humphris, had to tell him. Humphris gave Starmer a piece of his mind about the destructive and authoritarian lockdowns, and then when the Labour leader tried to take refuge in the pub Humphris owned, he threw him out. The ...
I speak with independent journalist Jeremy Hammond, about the upcoming presidential elections, and about the nature of voting, and of the state, generally. Is it more responsible to refrain from participating in an illegitimate system founded on coercion? Or should we strive to make things better by choosing the lesser of two evils? Jeremy is the author of several books, including Obstacle to Peace: The US Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, and The War on Informed Consent: The ...
There has never been a period in my own lifetime when American people have had so little trust in, or regard for, the nation's government. Witnessing the events of the past four-plus years – or indeed, the past couple of weeks – one might rightly declare that we have reached peak clown show in the realm of governance. So is it time to just cut it loose? Would it be better for states to simply go their own ways, and let the feds continue to flounder? And if so, what are the mechanisms by whic...
What is "fiat science"? It's what you get when the state creates a lot of money out of thin air, then hands out bunches of it to scientific establishments, where decisions are made not on the basis of market forces, but on the basis of political ones. I speak with genetics expert and founder and CSO of Medicinal Genomics, Kevin McKernan, about why fiat science is a problem, the utter failure of the regulatory state, what needs to change – and what is starting to change. If you're still...
“Unfettered capitalism” creates a “dog-eat-dog” world in which the strong profit at the expense of the weak, everyone only looks out for their own interests, and society becomes selfish, atomized, and less human, with its members caring only about making money, not about each other. So goes the standard mainstream view of a free society, and free markets. If you went to a government school, you heard some version of this. Economist Guido Hulsmann has a new book out that tears this caricature ...
Rebecca Charles' daughter Danielle had a slight cough, fever and pulse-ox reading of 88 when she walked into the hospital on August 27th, 2021. Hospital staff then spent 40 days administering hospital protocols that Rebecca says resulted in her death, at 28 years of age. Danielle had special needs, and had had someone with her at all times during her life. In the hospital, she was isolated, forcibly restrained, deprived of food, and prohibited from seeing her mother. Rebecca has filed a ma...
Does God want women to be silent and submissive? Kaeley Triller, author of the Substack, "Honest to Goodness", has a lot to say on the topic. We talk about Kaeley's changing relationship with the church, and with God, about scripture, and about how to discern truth in spiritual matters. We dig at the roots of the battle of the sexes, and ask what happens "when you sideline half of God's army." Kaeley stresses that she is not a Biblical scholar, but points her readers to a few scholars such ...
I’ve posted before about efforts to create “safe” blood supplies and networks, for those of us who don’t want to risk being exposed to the mRNA product in the event that we may need a blood transfusion. The missing piece – until now – has been that none of these networks are able to provide blood in cases of emergency, when it is needed immediately. That is about to change. In this episode, I speak with fellow Kentuckian, nurse, and founder of WeAreTheControlGroup, Sierra Hamm, about a new ...
When I discovered Kristi Yapp's Substack, "On This Day, Last Year – Six Months of Turbo Cancer", my reaction was something along the lines of "finally! Now we have our Solzhenitsyn!" Kristi is too modest to accept the comparison, but I think it is apt. We've had mountains of reporting on the effects of the experimental gene therapy for Covid-19, we've seen the excess death numbers, the myocarditis studies, the increased cancer rates. But while all of these facts and numbers tell an impo...
I speak with Samuel Bornman, author of "Of Wizards and Warriors", the first in a fantasy adventure series written from a Christian perspective, with boys in mind. We talk about what boys need from fiction that they're not getting, some of the problems with modern children's literature, transhumanism and our relationship with technology, and why Samuel has had trouble getting his book into Christian bookstores. You can find "Of Wizards and Warriors" on Amazon. Samuel writes on Substack, here...
Like most libertarians, The Brownstone Institute's Jeff Tucker has long been a proponent of open borders. So have I. But we both feel that events of the past few years require a more thoughtful response than the standard anti-state-border rhetoric. Including, perhaps, admissions that we've been wrong all along. Have we? Jeff and I explore some of the complexities of the current crisis along the southern border of the US, the Texas standoff, and immigration more generally. What's happening a...
"A Paradise for Parents" is not your ordinary assisted-living facility. While the past four years have witnessed elder care descend to what can only be described as abusive levels of isolation and neglect, Hal Cranmer, who heads up "A Paradise for Parents'" five locations in Arizona, does things very differently. We talk about Hal's approach to giving his elderly residents their best possible lives, including a commitment to dietary and exercise regimes that have helped many to improve both ...
I speak with economist Bob Murphy about what needs to happen in order to heal the deep dysfunction that is healthcare in America. If you think we can "reform" our way out of this mess, you might need to listen to this interview. We unravel the complexities of regulation, the insurance industry, licensing, and what an alternative way might look like. Bob's book on "surviving the sick-care sinkhole" is here. The Bob Murphy show is here, and you can find Bob on Twitter here. My recent episo...
When newly elected President of Argentina Javier Milei described his anarcho-capitalist position, he referenced economist Bob Murphy's Chaos Theory. So I asked Bob to come on the show and explain to everyone what anarcho capitalism IS. We cover a lot of ground in this one, discussing how a society could operate with privatized justice, law enforcement, and even defense, and taking on all of the usual objections, from the control of nuclear weaponry to preventing new states from arising. Bob ...
"Good cops kill Jesus," says Dominic Scarcella, author of "Good Neighbor, Bad Citizen: Reflections on the core social conflict revealed by Jesus Christ's Way of the Cross." We cover a lot of ground in this interview: Can one be a good neighbor and also a "good citizen"? Or are the two fundamentally at odds? Should Christians put their faith in the authority of the Bible, or religious leaders? Or are they responsible for discerning truth for themselves? When and how did Jesus' church become m...
Canadian restaurateur Jesse Johnson had his business taken from him and destroyed by the Candadian government because he refused to discriminate against patrons who had not been vaccinated against Covid-19. The charges against him were later dropped, but the damage had already been done. We talk about what happened, what was lost, the reaction of those around him, and the methods the government uses to exert total control over small business owners. We also talk about what's next, incl...
If you think that there's something necessary or good about medical licensing, you might want to tune in to this episode. In it, independent journalist Jeremy R Hammond and I demolish some of the myths around medical licensing. You might be surprised by what you hear. Jeremy's articles on "Why Medical Licensing Should be Eliminated" can be found here and here. And here is some of the analysis we referenced: Ronald Hamowy, “The Early Development of Medical Licensing Laws in the United States...
I speak with Jeremy Hammond, independent journalist and author of the book Obstacle to Peace: The US Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. We go over some of the history underlying the conflict, untangle some of the myths, and ask the question: When state actors on both sides thrive on continued violence, and are themselves obstacles to peace, is there any hope for peace, and what can ordinary people do to help bring it about? Jeremy's website is here, and his book can be found here. Hi...
There's a new film out, and it's probably not like anything you've seen before. I sat down with Larken and Amanda Rose to talk about "Jones Plantation" - what's so special about it, and how it is that a film with such a powerful anti-state message is finding itself so well received even outside of anarchist and liberty-minded circles. I also ask their advice for other creatives in the liberty community - a small but growing population - and they have some valuable tips for other filmmakers, ...
Tomorrow is the day we all celebrate Susan's Still Alive Day, so I sat down with Susan herself, to talk about how the holiday began and what it means. We also take on the issue of focus - addressing the importance of being intentional in where we put our focus, and the ways in which medical-freedom advocates (and others) can trip ourselves up with our beliefs about where our focus ought to be - and faith. Susan May hosts the Gather and Get Moving group on Facebook, and Rise Up with Susan Ma...
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