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We’re here to redefine how scholars and policymakers approach national security and foreign policy. Join us, as we make sense of a world in crisis.
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This week, A'ndre is joined by Javed Ali, a former counterterrorism official who served as Senior Director of Counterterrorism on the National Security Council, to discuss Friday's horrific ISIS terror attacks at the Crocus City Hall in Moscow, Russia. Javed and A'ndre discuss what ISIS-K is, and how the Afghan-based group is different from the 'core' ISIS that has operated in Iraq and Syria. Javed outlines how ISIS-K has grown in recent years and their abilities to plot attacks outside of their locality, citing the recent ISIS-K suicide bombings in Iran and foiled plots in Europe. A'ndre and Javed also chat about how U.S. Intelligence warned both Russia and Iran in the days preceding the respective ISIS-K attacks and how the Afghanistan withdrawal has affected intelligence gathering. Javed provides his take on the profiles of those who have conducted ISIS-K's attacks, and whether the tactics taken in Moscow bear parallels to the 2015 Paris Attacks or 2008's 26/11 attacks in Mumbai.
This week, A'ndre chatted with former Secretary of Defense (and CIA Director, and Chief of Staff, and Congressman!) Leon Panetta on a litany of key national security and foreign policy topics relating to the Israel-Gaza War, Russia-Ukraine, the U.S.-China relationship, and the 2024 Presidential Election. A'ndre and Secretary Panetta spent a good chunk of the interview discussing the ongoing War in Gaza, his views on a ceasefire, Benjamin Netanyahu, criticism of the Biden Administration, and why the U.S. needs to take a more proactive role on a two-state solution. Secretary Panetta also provides his take on the potential conditioning of U.S. military aid to Israel, particularly if the IDF enters Rafah and civilian casualties continue to mount. Secretary Panetta reacts to the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny and answers if he is more pessimistic about the War in Ukraine today than he was a year ago. The former CIA Director also provides strong criticisms of congressional inaction on continued funding for Ukraine, and why polarization will damage U.S. credibility. A'ndre and Secretary Panetta close out with a brief conversation on China, and the Secretary 's thoughts on the intersections of foreign policy and the 2024 Presidential Election.
The Burn Bag will be covering the Israel-Gaza War over the course of several episodes, sourcing multiple perspectives on the conflict. The Burn Bag does not officially endorse any views expressed by our guests, but rather bring those perspectives to you, the audience. Former Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy returns to The Burn Bag to discuss his views and reactions to the ongoing War in Gaza, a potential ceasefire, a two-state solution, and Egypt's role in the conflict. A'ndre and Mr. Fahmy discuss Egypt's relationship with Israel and what Egypt's policy on Gaza has been since 2006, including the rationale behind Egypt's support for Israel's blockade on Gaza. Mr. Fahmy reacts to the news that the Biden Administration aims to build a port in Gaza for humanitarian aid, in addition to outlining why Egypt will not open its border near Rafah to Gazans. The two delve into Egypt's role in negotiating a ceasefire, the political goals of Hamas, and what political entity should represent the Palestinians given their fractured political landscape. Mr. Fahmy responds to suggestions that Arab Governments should 'govern' Gaza after the war, and also shares his view on media echo chambers.
NOTE: Shebhaz Sharif, brother of Nawaz Sharif, was sworn in as Prime Minister on 3/4. This episode was recorded several days before, on 2/29.This week, A'ndre chatted with Uzair Younus, Principal at The Asia Group and host of Pakistonomy, about Pakistan's recent elections involving jailed former Prime Minister Imran Khan, recently-unexiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, and the military actors who may ultimately call the political shots. Uzair provides a general history of Pakistan's politics, giving context around each of the major players and dissecting the claim that 'the military' is in charge of Pakistan, and why 'the military's' preferred Prime Minister has changed over the years. A'ndre and Uzair also chat about who exactly 'the military' is, and why it should not be considered a single entity but rather as several key actors in the security and defense apparatus. Uzair provides key political profiles on Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif, and outlines why it appears neither of them will be named Prime Minister after a chaotic election cycle. The two discuss why Pakistan's elections are so significant, and conclude with a conversation on what the implications  for U.S.-Pakistan relations are.
This week, Andrew is joined by Dave Sterling, CEO of Royce Geo. Royce Geo, based in Arlington, Virginia, supports mission partners in the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community with geospatial analytics and training platforms. Andrew and Dave discuss the usefulness of geospatial information in decision-making, the growth of the commercial industry supporting GEOINT capabilities, and what the future looks like in the geospatial analysis field.
This week, A'ndre chatted with Bonnie Glaser, one of the country's premier Taiwan experts and the Managing Director of the German Marshall Fund's Indo-Pacific program, on all things related to Taiwan. Bonnie provides a quick overview of Taiwan's contemporary history, outlining how the U.S. and China have engaged with Taiwan's Government, the U.S. policy of strategic ambiguity, and why China aims to claim Taiwan as its own. Bonnie discusses why she believes that China will NOT invade Taiwan in the near-future, and also what the recent Taiwanese Presidential Elections mean for Cross-Strait relations. A'ndre and Bonnie also chat about the significance of Taiwan's economy to global supply chains (particularly in the technology domain), and why any conflict over island would likely upend the global economy.You can check out Bonnie's book (co-authored with Brookings' Ryan Hass and Dr. Richard Bush), U.S.-Taiwan Relations: Will China's Challenge Lead to a Crisis? here.
This week, Andrea and Andrew sit down with Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware to discuss their new book God, Guns, and Sedition. Hoffman and Ware are both fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations specializing in counterterrorism and share their insights regarding the evolution of domestic terrorism in the United States, motivations behind acts of terrorism, organizational tactics, and how to combat disinformation. Check out God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America here.
This week, Andrea speaks with Matthew McKnight, General Biosecurity Manager at Ginkgo Bioworks. Matthew and Andrea discuss the multitude of opportunities available for developments in biotechnology and mitigating national security threats through biological innovation. A new form of intelligence collection, BIOINT, is threaded into the conversation and posits a new way of identifying biological threats. Learn about all of this, including government and private sector biological security threat mitigation, in this episode. Check out additional links to supplement our conversation here: BIOINT as an Intelligence Collection Method Increasing Threat of Zoonotic Spillover EventsMatthew McKnight on the Intersection of Biosecurity, Biodefence, National Security, and Related Issues
Ian Bremmer, President of the Eurasia Group, returns to The Burn Bag for a chat with A'ndre on his Top Risks 2024 report -- Eurasia Group's annual forecast of the top geopolitical risks most likely to play out over the coming year. A'ndre and Ian started the conversation with the #1 Risk, the "United States vs. Itself," as Ian outlines why the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election will test American democracy to a point unseen since the Civil War. The Middle East Tinderbox, in the wake of the Israel-Gaza War, defines Risk #2 as Ian explains why the risk of a regional war breaking out is so high given the many actors involved in the conflict. The two then discuss why Ukraine is likely to be de facto partitioned, and why Ukraine can 'lose' the war but Russia can't 'win'. Ian talks at length about the risks around 'ungoverned AI', discussing why governments are unable to keep up with rapid developments in artificial intelligence. A'ndre and Ian discuss other risks during the episode, such as the Axis of Rogues (Russian, Iranian, and North Korean alignment) and some Red Herrings, including why the U.S.-China relationship isn't a top risk this year.
Over the holidays, A'ndre chatted with AUKUS Defense Investor Network Co-Chairs Heather Richman (U.S.), Adrian Jones (U.K.), and Jamie Watson (Australia) about how AUKUS, the trilateral security partnership between the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia, aims to fill key gaps in critical technologies. We talk about what AUKUS is, how it works, and why it is unique as a defense technology sharing agreement. The three co-chairs summarize the differences between Pillar I and Pillar II (why AUKUS isn't just about submarines, but way more!), highlighting some of the key tech focus areas in Pillar II. They also share insights into how their respective countries view AUKUS and defense innovation, and discuss why they co-founded the AUKUS Defense Investors Network.
In light of the recent U.S./U.K. air strikes on the Houthis in Yemen, A'ndre chatted with Dr. Michael Knights (The Washington Institute) about the Yemeni militant group that has been launching attacks at ships in the Red Sea since the advent of the Israel-Gaza War. Dr. Knights, a long-time expert on Middle East militia groups, breaks down who the Houthis are, discusses their supremacist ideology, their history, and what their popular support has generally looked like. A'ndre and Dr. Knights steep the conversation in the context of the Yemeni Revolution and Civil War, working to explain how the Houthis' rise to power was exacerbated by those significant developments. Dr. Knights also discusses how the Houthis aim to enmesh themselves in Iran's 'Axis of Resistance', and why he believes that the attacks on commercial shipping and U.S. military vessels in the Red Sea aren't necessarily to express solidarity with Gaza, but rather to showcase alignment with Iran, who has provided mentorship and weaponry to the militant group. A'ndre and Dr. Knights wrap the conversation with some points on the on/off designation of the Houthis as a terrorist organization, and whether U.S. conflict with the Houthis will increase in the days ahead.NOTE: This episode was recorded on January 15th. The Biden Administration re-designated the Houthis as a terrorist organization on January 17th.
This week, Curtis Fox speaks to Christina about his new book, Hybrid Warfare: The Russian Approach to Strategic Competition and Conventional Military Conflict. As an expert on Russia and military strategy, Curtis is able to give us insight into the workings of the Russian military, how its longstanding corruption helps Putin maintain power, and the successes of the Kremlin's propaganda campaigns around the world. Fox also provides a somewhat pessimistic outlook on the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian war, reflecting on the the rest of the Western world's reliance on American dollars to fund their defense capabilities. Check out Hybrid Warfare here: https://www.hybridwarfare.info/
This week, A'ndre chatted with Peter Singer, Senior Fellow at New America and Founder of Useful Fiction, about the social media coverage and the 'digital battlefield' that has surrounded the Israel-Gaza War and Ukraine, and what it means for future conflict. Peter provides his take on why the Israel-Gaza War has captured the attention of so many on social media, in addition to outlining what type of social media coverage occurred during the advent of the Russo-Ukraine War. Peter defines what the 'LikeWar' is, talking about how social media's 'digital battlefield' has evolved over the years, particularly focusing on why anger has the tendency to go viral, dominating newsfeeds. A'ndre and Peter talk about the power of narrative, and how governments, non-governmental groups, militants, and more have aimed to weaponize information, imagery, and other content (sometimes laden with misinformation, sometimes not).Peter's recent Foreign Affairs article on the social media in the Israel-Gaza War can be found here.
Over the holiday season, A'ndre caught up with his old friend John Schmidt to discuss John's work on governance issues around the Great Lakes, some of the largest bodies of freshwater in the world shared between the United States and Canada. John, who's a Program Manager with Great Lakes St. Lawrence Governors & Premiers, provides his take on the national security implications that Great Lakes policy has, and how he coordinates among the many state governors and provincial premiers on water security issues. For example, A'ndre and John discuss a Department of Homeland Security report on the necessity of the Soo Locks, a piece of maritime infrastructure enabling vessel movement between the Great Lakes, and why DHS saw a potential domino-effect security threat if the Locks weren't bolstered and transportation subsequently shut down. A'ndre and John also chat about key issues in innovation on green and autonomous shipping, and the potential for threats from invasive species.
We're releasing this episode a few days early, given the fast moving nature  of the dispute between Venezuela and Guyana.This week, A'ndre chatted with The Crisis Group's Mariano de Alba on the recent tensions between Venezuela and Guyana over the resource-rich Essequibo region. Mariano, a Venezuela expert, discusses whether the concerns over a potential Venezuelan invasion of Guyana are real, and provides a history of the long-running dispute between the two countries over Essequibo -- a region that makes up more than 2/3's of Guyana's territory. The recent discovery of oil in 2015 reignited tensions over the territory, and Mariano provides his take on whether the conflict is truly about oil, or whether it's more about Maduro's election-related fears for 2024. Mariano also discusses the legitimacy of Venezuela's recent referendum to annex Essequibo, and what international involvement could look like in the event of an actual invasion.
In this episode, Andrew is joined by Rebecca Linder Blachly, director of the Office of Government Relations for the Episcopal Church, to talk about the role of faith advocacy in shaping American foreign policy decisions. An anonymous colleague of Kissinger remarked in late November that instead of dehumanization, "Imagine a chessboard in which each piece was actually a king or queen, or the pawns were children, and every time you sacrificed a pawn, a child was killed. You might play chess differently." Rebecca is one of those in the Beltway who aims to humanize the international relations chessboard and shape the conversation around morality in the field. The mission of the Office of Government Relations (OGR)  is to “represent the policy priorities of The Episcopal Church to the U.S. government in Washington, D.C. and help shape the discussion of political issues throughout the Church. It aims to influence policy and legislation on critical issues, highlighting the voices and experiences of Episcopalians and Anglicans globally.” Andrew and Rebecca discuss her prior role as a senior policy advisor for Africa in the U.S. Department of State's Office of Religion and Global Affairs, what day-to-day faith advocacy looks like in Washington, what some of the current policy objectives are for the Episcopal Church, and how interfaith networks support grassroots understandings of national security issues.
The Burn Bag will be covering the Israel-Gaza War over the course of several episodes, sourcing multiple perspectives on the conflict. The Burn Bag does not officially endorse any views expressed by our guests, but rather bring those perspectives to you, the audience. This week, A'ndre chatted with Carmiel Arbit, a nonresident Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council, on a range of topics relating to the October 7th Attacks, the Israeli Government, and the conduct of the War in Gaza. Carmiel, who has spent a career focusing on Israeli politics, security, and relations, provides a brief definition of the term Zionism and talks about what she views as some of the biggest myths around Israel right now. We briefly cover why efforts towards a Two-State Solution have failed, and the reasons as to why Hamas launched the attacks on October 7th. Carmiel talks about the significant controversies around why the Israeli Government was caught off guard by the attacks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's unpopularity, and how both the Israeli public and the broader Jewish community have viewed the attacks and the war. Carmiel also provides perspectives on the Israeli Government's conduct of the war, the significant civilian casualties in Gaza, and the practicalities of a long-term ceasefire. We close out the conversation by briefly discussing the future of U.S.-Israeli relations, and how the war may erode Israel's standing.
The Burn Bag will be covering the Israel-Gaza War over the course of several episodes, sourcing multiple perspectives on the conflict. The Burn Bag does not officially endorse any views expressed by our guests, but rather bring those perspectives to you, the audience. This week, A'ndre spoke with Zaha Hassan, a Fellow with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, on Palestinian politics, human rights challenges, and goals around statehood. Zaha, who advised Palestinian negotiating teams during the early 2010s, outlines her views on why prior peace negotiations had failed, and what the key blockers to the Two-State Solution are. Zaha provides insights into how the Palestinian Authority functions and defining what Palestinians mean when they refer to Israeli 'Occupation'. Zaha also discusses Hamas' control of Gaza, how they factor into discussions on statehood, possible motivations for the October 7th Attacks, and what the 'day after' may look like in Gaza. We get Zaha's take on what a potential ceasefire would mean for broader opportunities for peace, U.S. engagement in the conflict, and key humanitarian challenges in the present and aftermath of the War.
[ORIGINALLY RECORDED ON 10/5] This week, Christina interviews Dr. Elisa von Joeden-Forgey, a leading expert on Gender and Genocidal Violence, on the renewed violence in the Nagorno-Karabakh region and what looks like an end to the decades-long struggle. Christina and Dr. von Joeden-Forgey discuss the language of genocide, the media's role in the conflict, and what the political landscape of the world looks like moving forward. 
This week, A'ndre and Andrea spoke with Stuart Reid, Executive Editor of Foreign Affairs, on his new book The Lumumba Plot, which investigates the CIA's role in the assassination of Patrice Lumumba, the first democratically-elected leader of the DRC in 1961. We profile Lumumba with Stuart, and describe the then-Republic of Congo's colonial history, discussing what the process of decolonization between Belgium  and the Republic of Congo (chaotically) looked like. Stuart chats about Belgian involvement in post-colonial Congo, and why the CIA's paranoia of Soviet influence led to the sanctioning of a plot to assassinate Lumumba. We reflect on how the Lumumba assassination has reverberated throughout the DRC's history, and lessons to be learned for U.S. foreign policy.
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