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The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai.


Disclaimer: The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of, nor are they endorsed by The Florida Bar, their respective officers, directors, employees, agents, or representatives. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.

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Enjoy this interactive session with Judge Desai and Alexis Fowler, Government Relations Director at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, where they discuss her survival story and the importance of giving back. This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.5 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7916.
Enjoy this speed session with Judge Desai and Secretary of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR), where they discuss mentorship, the FSU J.D./M.B.A. program, evaluating life-work balance in the long term, getting over imposter syndrome, the workings of DBPR, and the Secretary’s personal story of motherhood.http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/ Twitter:@melaniesgriffin@floridadbprThis podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7463.
Judge Desai asks the Interim Dean of Stetson Law School Theresa Radwan questions about the Law School’s history and its current program. Listen to Dean Radwan explain the importance of law students and lawyers reaching out to community, how Stetson Law makes sure students are “practice ready” lawyers, and Stetson Law’s own unofficial rock band.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7366.
In the third installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Deidré A. Keller, the Dean of Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University (FAMU), College of Law. Learn about the historic significance of FAMU Law and the Parramore neighborhood in Orlando. Dean Keller also talks about growing up in Guyana, going from the Bronx to Yale, law and literature, and the importance of providing access to a solid practical legal education to non-traditional law students.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7242.
In the second installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Laura A. Rosenbury of the University of Florida, Levin College of Law. Dean Rosenbury talks about her journey from rural America to Harvard to the flagship law school in Florida. Learn about how UF Law has climbed to and remained in the top 25 law schools in the nation (and # 1 in Florida) by not only upping its game academically, but also by increasing the diversity of its faculty and student body. Listen to all the ways the GatorLaw Nation is helping UF Law students get practical experience and learn about professionalism.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7219.
In the first installment of this season’s “Never Contemplated - The Making of a Good Lawyer,” Judge Hetal Desai interviews Dean Erin O’Hara O’Conner, who discusses her role as the Dean of FSU College of Law and how she got there. This episode explores the changes in law students and teaching methods over the years, and how to prevent burnout in the legal profession.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7182.
In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Navarro, who discusses her unique background, learning about drug court and the ways to mentor others about wellness.REFERENCED RESOURCES:https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscenter/https://www.fla-lap.org/Judge Navarro on social media:FacebookInstagramThis podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6822.
The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Cathy Sellers and Francine Ffolkes.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6546.
The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. In this special episode, Judge Desai welcomes Administrative Law Judges Lisa Nelson, Suzanne Van Wyk, and Lynne Quimby-Pennock.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #6547.
 In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes the 9th Circuit Chief Judge Lisa Munyon who discusses her background and path to the bench. REFERENCED RESOURCES:https://www.law360.com/appellate/articles/1462291/fla-justices-mull-making-zoom-hearings-permanenthttps://issuu.com/orangecobarassociationorlando/docs/the_briefs_february_2022/14https://www.floridabar.org/the-florida-bar-news/rules-package-to-codify-remote-proceedings-argued/This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5853.
In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes former judge and current Secretary of the Agency for Healthcare Administration, Simone Marstiller who discusses her diverse background and strong roots in public service.If you’d like to follow Secretary Marstiller on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SMarstillerThis podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5783. 
In this episode, Judge Meg Kerr discusses her unique background and path to the Office of Judges of Compensation Claims, where she is assigned to Worker's Compensation cases. She emphasizes the importance of building relationships and making connections with colleagues and staff in order to be stronger professionally and to balance mental and emotional health and combat stress.References:The Florida Bar Mental Health and Wellness Center: https://www.floridabar.org/member/healthandwellnesscenter/The Worker's Compensation Section of The Florida Bar: https://www.flabarwcs.org/This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5742. 
In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Sheri Chappell who discusses the importance of mentoring and always striving to be above the adversarial process.https://www.floridabar.org/prof/pmentor/https://home.innsofcourt.org/mentoringhttps://home.innsofcourt.org/AIC_PDFs/Mentoring/30245_Activity_Model_Mentoring_Program.pdfThis podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5693. 
In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Justice Jamie Grosshans who is currently Florida's only sitting female Supreme Court Justice to discuss her path to the bench.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5632. 
Join us as we open Season Two with two amazing sisters on the bench. Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, explores the careers of Southern District judges, Beth Bloom and Robin Rosenberg who share their paths to the bench which led to their collaboration and development of the nationally recognized “Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions” program. This podcast has been approved for 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5588.References:Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions Distance Learning: Civics for Civic Engagement in the Federal Courts Civil Discourse: Social Media and Cyberbullying
Join us as we wrap up Season One with the ultimate legal professionalism #girlsquad! Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, delves deep into the careers of female judges who serve in The Florida Bar's Standing Committee on Professionalism (SCOP). Be inspired and motivation by the paths of Judges Miesha Darrough, Gisela Then Laurent, Daliah Weiss, Patricia Barksdale and Carolyn Bell.This podcast has been approved for 1.5 hours of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism Credit. Course #5233.References: Embrace All Girl All Power! After School Programs & Camps, Miami Lakes.
Judge Howard shares her journey to the bench as well as her passion for performing Naturalization Ceremonies and promoting Civics education. This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #6578.References: Judge Marcia Morales Howard Honored with Hoeveler Judicial Professionalism Award, Judge Marcia Morales Howard honored by The Florida Bar, The United States Welcomed 50 New Citizens in a Naturalization Ceremony at Half-Time of the Jacksonville Jaguars Game against the Cleveland Browns November 29, 2020, 2021 Pro Bono Awards, Cuban American Law Program
The Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism welcomes Judge Patricia Seitz, the first female Florida Bar President to discuss how to shatter glass ceilings.This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4501.References: Judge Seitz interview for the Center’s Historical Video Series; Pro Bono Matters website; Judge Patricia Seitz to Receive Distinguished Federal Judicial Service Pro Bono Award; U.S. District Judge Patricia Seitz honored by Miami Catholic Lawyers Guild; NED Award to Patricia Seitz; Court-Assisted Re-entry (CARE) Court presentation; Judge Seitz sculpture
Judge Costello shares her journey to the bench and the importance of mentoring and giving back.Judge Costello's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JessGCostelloJudge Desai's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudgeDesaiFlorida Children and Youth Cabinet: https://www.flgov.com/cyc-members/This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5981.References: Florida Children and Youth Cabinet Members, Judge Costello on Twitter, Judge Desai on Twitter
Judge Ashenafi Richardson shares her trailblazing story of being a first generation immigrant attorney and her path to the bench.This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5980.References: Minorities in the Legal Profession, Florida Bar issue paper; Helping First-Generation Lawyers Thrive, Law Practice Today article; How She Did It: Judge Nina Ashenafi Richardson’s Path to Leadership, Florida Bar Podcast.
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