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Author: Robert Nordlander, CPA, CFE

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Hosted by a former white-collar federal criminal investigator, this bi-weekly podcast seeks to find the best tools, practices, opportunities, and people to answer your questions about fraud and forensic accounting. Every episode is a conversation with an expert in the fraud or forensic accounting industry who has a story to tell, ideas and wisdom to share, successes to inspire, and failures to confess. Where can you find the right credentials for your career? Where can you find the right training for you and where you want to be? What opportunities exist in the anti-fraud industry? What software or technology is available to help you in your career? If you are asking these questions, this podcast is for you.
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An unnamed IRS-Criminal Investigation supervisory special agent is making headlines about the politicization of the Department of Justice.  The whistleblower is seeking advice from the United States Congress to disclose what he (assuming it is a he) knows regarding preferential treatment of the Department of Justice.In this episode, I discuss the role of IRS-Criminal Investigation, the role of a supervisory special agent, the uniqueness of the whistleblowing act, the laws that hamper disclosing tax and grand jury information, and my why this is unchartered territory with IRS-CI.Support the show
Leah Wietholter is a CPA, CFE, Private Investigator, and CEO of Workman Forensics, a forensic accounting firm in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  She started her career at the FBI, went to a CPA firm, and then later started her own firm.https://www.workmanforensics.com/https://open.spotify.com/show/5XIzhOCoLSoFG1r4IrJ1LfIn this episode we discuss:Why Leah started a forensic accounting practiceHow she marketed herself to get clientsHow her best practices became a bookWhy customer service exceeds credentialsSupport the show
Karen Webber is a CPA, CFE, and the founder of FraudFindr.com, a software company specializing in fighting financial exploitation of elderly persons.  She is currently a partner at The Bonadio Group.https://fraudfindr.com/https://www.bonadio.com/our-people/karen-webberIn this episode, we discuss:How forensic accounting is used to fight elder abuseThe effects of financial fraud on elderly victimsWhy she started Fraudfindr.comHow the software service flags suspicious transactionsSupport the show
Brian Behr is the Bankruptcy Administrator for the Eastern District of North Carolina.  The Bankruptcy Administrator's Office and the Bankruptcy Trustee's Office are similar across the country. They serve as the watchdog for the Bankruptcy Court. Very often the Bankruptcy Administrator seeks or refers fraud examiners to assist in bankruptcy proceedings.https://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/bankruptcy/trustees-and-administratorsIn this episode, we discuss:The role of the Bankruptcy AdministratorThe biggest misconception of bankruptcyWhen the bankruptcy court uses fraud examinersHow to market professional services to bankruptcy lawyersSupport the show
Tiffany Couch is an author, forensic accountant and owner of Acuity Forensics.  She has a CPA license, CFE and CFF credential.  She wrote about fraud stories in "The Thief in Your Company."www.acuityforensics.comIn this episode, we discuss:The emotional toll on fraud victims.How she started her forensic accounting business.Why she wrote her book “The Thief in Your Company.”And her recommendation to new forensic accountants.Support the show
Erin O’Loughin is the Senior Director of Training at the Association of Certified Financial Crime Specialists (ACFCS).  She has been an analyst for the CIA and financial institutions.https://www.acfcs.org/In this episode we discuss:How she started her career in investigating fraud and money launderingHow the ACFCS startedThe role of the ACFCS in fighting fraudHow to qualify for the CFCS credentialWhy learning the BSA and Patriot Act is beneficialSupport the show
In this short episode, there are a few updates on what is happening recently.  My new book, Criminal Tax Secrets, is published on Amazon.  Please get a copy for that special someone who needs to know how IRS-CI evaluates criminal tax investigations.  The book is a reference guide, so a paperback will serve you better than a Kindle; or just get both.A sister podcast (Criminal Tax Files) was created, which is all about criminal tax investigation and prosecutions.  I also created an author website at www.robertnordlander.com.  The normal podcast episodes will start next week.If you are interested in how IRS-CI evaluates its investigations, my recent book Criminal Tax Secrets is available in paperback and Kindle on Amazon.www.nordlandercpa.comwww.robertnordlander.comSupport the show
J.P. Davis is a federal public defender for the Western Judicial District of North Carolina.  The federal public defender's office represents indigent clients in federal criminal court.  At times, those attorneys need experts, especially in white-collar crimes.https://ncw.fd.org/In this episode, we discuss:The purpose of the federal public defender's officeWhy the public defender's office needs expertsHow forensic accountants can market themselvesThe role of technology in reviewing large volumes of data.Support the show
Sam Azhari is a white collar defense attorney in Chicago, Illinois.  He represents defendants across the country.  As PPP prosecutions are pursued, Sam talks about how the fraud is committed and how the courts are evaluating the crimes.https://azharillc.com/In this episode, we discuss:How fraud is committed with PPP and EIDL loansThe criteria used to calculate prison timeHow forensic accountants can market themselves as experts.Support the show
Tod McDonald was a CPA investigating a bankruptcy case, when he uncovered the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of the Northwest United States.  Seeing the need for forensic accounting software, he co-founded Valid8, a forensic accounting software company.https://www.valid8financial.com/In this episode, we discuss:How he uncovered the largest Ponzi scheme in the Northwest US.The need for forensic accounting software.Why Valid8 was created to investigators quickly follow the money.His observations in the financial and technology field.Support the show
Amanda "Jo" Erven is the President of Audit Consulting Education, LLC.  She is an author, trainer, and speaker on Internal Audit and Ethics.  She has a CPA and CIA license, and also a CFE credential.  Her latest book is "Becoming The Everyday Ethicist: Doing Things the Right Way the First Time", which is available on Amazon.www.auditconsultingeducation.comJo@AuditConsultingEducation.comIn this episode, we discuss:How she transitioned from internal audit to ethics trainingUsing internal audit to contribute to a company’s successBecoming an everyday ethicistHer motivation to be an author and speakerSupport the show
A recent federal budget created funding for 87,000 IRS employees over the next 10 years.  Unfortunately, there are news reports and in speeches by elected officials, that the IRS is hiring 87,000 armed agents.  This is far from the truth.   But there is some truth that IRS does have armed agents; the IRS has a Criminal Investigation Division of approximately 2,100 special agents who have arrest powers and carry weapons.  They are an elite unit of financial investigators that can travel the world investigating major financial crimes.  With the powers of arrest and executing search/seizure warrants, these weapons are necessary to protect themselves and others during their high risk investigations.In this episode, I discuss the reason for these special agents, why there are vital to law enforcement, and why they carry weapons to investigate tax and other financial crimes.Support the show
Don Fort was a former Chief of IRS-Criminal Investigation and is currently the Director of Investigations with the law firm Kostelanetz & Fink. https://kflaw.com/profile/don-fort/In this episode, we discuss:His journey to becoming an IRS special agentThe theory to seize assets from Russian OligarchsThe importance of mentors in this careerHaving a positive attitude when you don’t get selected. Support the show
Alton Sizemore has over 25 years of experience with the FBI as a special agent specializing in forensic accounting.  He is a CPA and CFE.  He also teaches courses for the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners.  At the FBI, he rose to the rank of Assistant Special Agent in Charge which he oversaw many areas of the FBI office in Birmingham, Alabama, before retiring to continue practicing as a forensic accountant.In this episode, we discuss:Why he joined the FBI as a special agent.Why being a lifelong learner is key to a career in forensic accountingThe lessons he learned on the witness stand during trialsHow continuing education is important in forensic accounting.What is what like to transition from a 25-year career to the private sectorThe difference between a good investigator and a great investigator is knowing both sides of the litigationHis biggest regret at the FBI, which came to haunt him a few years later when he saw the national news.The ability to communicate with various people is the key to a good interview.Sizemore continues to practice as a self-employed forensic accountant.  He is currently a reserve deputy sheriff assigned to the cold case squad in his local county.If you are benefiting from this podcast, share it with a friend or your group, and don't forget to leave a review on your favorite podcast platform.  A review helps others find this podcast.Check out www.fraudfighterpodcast.com for more episodes.Support the show
The 2022 ACFE Global Fraud Conference was held in June of 2022 in Nashville, TN.  Your host, Robert Nordlander, attended the conference and gives a review of the conference, including the venue, speakers, and the event itself.  This was his first attendance of the conference so he did not know what to expect and overall gave it a thumbs up.  Although the sessions were good, most of value was not from the sessions itself but meeting fellow podcast guests and session speakers outside of the conference.BTW, this is the 50th episode.  The podcast has currently exceeded 30,000 downloads in over 130 countries and 3,000 cities.  Thank you for the listeners and podcast guests for making this achievement happen.https://www.fraudconference.com/33rd-home.aspxMary Breslin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marybreslin/Derek Ellington - https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekellington/Jo Erven - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-jo-erven-ace/Leah Wietholter - https://www.linkedin.com/in/leah-wietholter-cfe-pi-cpa-33557815/Ian Mitchell - https://www.linkedin.com/in/iantmitchell/Support the show
In this episode, your host, Robert Nordlander, discusses the difference between a civil tax audit and a criminal tax investigation.  The stakes are at the highest in a criminal tax investigation.  Therefore, not just any CPA or forensic accountant should be hired by a taxpayer or taxpayer's attorney.  Even if the expert is a former IRS employee doesn't make them the best choice.There is a huge difference between a civil audit and a criminal tax investigation, such as burden of proof, policies, procedures, tax loss calculations, rules of criminal evidence, and criminal intent.In this episode, Robert Nordlander talks about those differences and why it is best to hire a specialist.Support the show
Natalie Lewis is a CPA, forensic accountant, and principal with the CPA firm Windham Brannon in Atlanta, GA.  She earned a CFF (Certified in Financial Forensics) which is an additional credential for CPAs.https://windhambrannon.com/our-team/natalie-lewis/https://us.aicpa.org/membership/join/cff-exam.htmlIn this episode, we discuss:The value of the CFF credential (Certified in Financial Forensics)How the CPA license and CFE credential differ in forensic accountingWhy asking questions is the key to developmentSupport the show
Mike Dunavant is the Chief Investigative Counsel for the Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury.  He is a former state prosecutor and former US Attorney for the Western District of TN.  The Comptroller is known as the "Money Cop" to ensure that fraud, waste and abuse are investigated in the state and local government. https://comptroller.tn.gov/In this episode, we discuss:The role of the TN Comptroller of the TreasuryThe authority it has to conduct financial investigationsThe ways it receives cases to investigateThe education and experience needed to be a forensic examinerThe effect of COVID on the United States Justice SystemSupport the show
Sandy Boxerman is a founding member of the law firm Capes Sokol in St. Louis, Missouri.  He defends individuals and corporations in white collar investigations and prosecutions.  He also represents taxpayers in civil and criminal tax matters.https://www.capessokol.com/people/sanford-j-boxerman/In this episode we discuss:The definition of cash skimmingHow cash skimmers are caughtHow the IRS finds and prosecutes a cash lifestyleHow a forensic examiner can market their servicesSupport the show
Derek Benner is a former Executive Associate Director of Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and currently Managing Director of Thomson Reuters Special Services.In this episode, we discuss:The value of learning from others as a supervisorHSI’s’ shift in enforcing human traffickingHow to distinguish yourself for a federal law enforcement jobHow data science is increasingly important in fraud investigationsHow Thomson Reuters Special Services is serving law enforcementSupport the show
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