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Welcome to Friends Who Argue, a podcast for the litigation bar brought to you by The Advocates’ Society and hosted by our Young Advocates' and 10+ Standing Committees. Friends Who Argue features intimate conversations with advocates from across Canada, who will share stories from their journeys as advocates. As litigators, we live in an adversarial world but we all have one thing in common - we are officers of the court who are passionate about the profession of law and advocating for our clients. We hope you find these conversations informative, inspiring and most of all, entertaining. By Advocates. For Advocates. Land Acknowledgement: The Advocates’ Society acknowledges that our offices, located in Toronto, are on the customary and traditional lands of the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Haudenosaunee, the Anishinabek, the Huron-Wendat and now home to many First Nations, Inuit, and Metis peoples. We acknowledge current treaty holders, the Mississaugas of the Credit and honour their long history of welcoming many nations to this territory. While The Advocates’ Society is based in Toronto, we are a national organization with Directors and members located across Canada in the treaty and traditional territories of many Indigenous Peoples. We encourage our members to reflect upon their relationships with the Indigenous Peoples in these territories, and the history of the land on which they live and work. We acknowledge the devastating impacts of colonization, including the history of residential schools, for many Indigenous peoples, families, and communities and commit to fostering diversity, equity, and inclusiveness in an informed legal profession in Canada and within The Advocates’ Society.
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This is the first of three podcast segments in a limited series on ongoing practice and procedural issues affecting young lawyers inspired by the Right to Disconnect policy incorporated into the Employment Standards Act, 2000 on December 2, 2021, and on how lawyers can proactively balance their professional and ethical obligations through the right to disconnect. In this first segment, Young Advocates Standing Committee Member Teodora Obradovic moderates a discussion with Mr. Strathy ab...
In this second episode of a 2-part podcast on inquisitorial proceedings, our expert TAS panel from across the country explains how they bring their own experience and perspective to their work on public inquiries and coroner’s inquests. In this episode, you will hear about these lawyers who found themselves practicing in this area and the challenges they have faced working in the spotlight while investigating sensitive issues of the utmost public concern.Ludmila Herbst is a partner at Farris ...
Public inquiries and coroner’s inquests are many things, but they are not trials. In this first episode of a 2-part podcast, TAS members from across the country share their perspectives on inquests and inquiries, how they function, what they achieve and how to be effective advocates in a non-adversarial process.Ludmila Herbst is a partner at Farris LLP in Vancouver. Ludmila is an experienced litigator and has acted for clients in corporate, commercial, regulatory and public law matters. Ludmi...
The Mid-Career Advocates’ Standing Committee’s Speaker Series explores litigation scenarios that can be impacted by cryptocurrencies. Miranda Spence moderates the discussion with Madison Robins, Richard Niman and Jeff Newton, who share their experiences and insights into the what, when and how of dealing with crypto assets in litigation. Miranda Spence is a partner at Aird & Berlis and is a member of the firm’s Litigation and Financial Services Groups. She maintains a broad litigation pr...
In this episode, Michael Ding sits down for a conversation with Frank Walwyn, recipient of the 2022 Eric Hoaken Excellence in Mentoring Award. The pair discuss Frank’s career, what inspired him to become a litigation lawyer and Frank’s approach to mentoring. Drawing from experience, Frank gives invaluable advice to both those looking to be an impactful mentor and mentees seeking a meaningful mentoring relationship.Frank Walwyn is a partner at WeirFoulds, practicing in Toronto, ON. He appears ...
In this episode, Kim Potter speaks with Yola Ventresca and Emily Lawrence about their experiences as managing partners of their respective law firms. They discuss how Yola and Emily came to be appointed to those leadership roles, what they have learned, and how they would describe their management styles. They also discuss the emergence of younger, female managing partners at several law firms and what accounts for this shift in law firm management.Yola Ventresca is the managing p...
In this episode, Webnesh Haile speaks with Neha Chugh, the 2022 recipient of The Advocates’ Society’s Catzman Award for Professionalism and Civility. Neha and Web discuss non-linear career paths, the line between zealous representation and incivility, practical tips for remaining civil, and the role of professionalism in fostering the administration of justice. The Catzman Award recognizes the qualities exemplified by Justice Catzman throughout his distinguished career, including: A...
In this episode, Kristen Duerhammer speaks with Ewa Krajewska and Andrea Gonsalves about the implications of the Supreme Court of Canada’s decision in Sherman Estate v. Donovan, 2021 SCC 25. They discuss the constitutional foundations of the open court principle, the test for discretionary limits on court openness, and situations where court openness would pose a risk to privacy that rises to a public interest dimension of protecting human dignity. Andrea explains how the Supreme Court’s anal...
In this episode, Chris Horkins sits down with his colleague Kayla Smith, a TAS member committed to making a difference for aspiring young Black lawyers in Canada. They discuss Kayla’s involvement in various initiatives and tackling the “pipeline” issue for increasing diversity in the legal profession. They touch on the importance of representation, including the recent historic appointment of Chief Justice Michael H. Tulloch, Ontario’s first Black Chief Justice, and explore effective al...
From fall 2021 to early 2022, three members of the Young Advocates Standing Committee’s Future of the Profession working group, Brendan McArthur-Stevens, Sara McGregor, and Zac Thiffault, conducted a survey of young advocates asking what they hoped for and expected from their workplaces as people started to return to the office. The survey – The future of advocacy and work arrangements ‘post’-pandemic: Perspectives of young advocates – provides insight into what young advocates are looking fo...
This episode features a conversation about private international law hosted by Gabriel Poliquin (Olthuis van Ert) with retired Supreme Court of Canada Justice Louis LeBel and Paul-Erik Veel (Lenczner Slaght). Marking the 10th anniversary of the foundational Supreme Court of Canada Club Resorts v Van Breda decision (written by the Honourable Louis Lebel on behalf of the Court) – which brought greater certainty to the question of when Canadian courts will assume civil jurisdiction, the guests d...
In this episode, The Hon. John I. Laskin, a former justice at the Court of Appeal for Ontario, sits down with Natalia Rodriguez, Partner at Conway Baxter Wilson LLP, to share his observations on oral and written advocacy. The wide-ranging discussion touches on the value and purpose of oral and written advocacy, the questions in judges’ minds that advocates should address, what makes a great factum, the importance of the moral high ground, and much more.Some of former J...
In Part 2 of this two-part series, our panel continues their discussion on Indigenous laws and legal traditions, with a focus on the way forward. They discuss some of the work that is already taking place in Indigenous communities to revitalize Indigenous legal traditions and to exercise governance authority within the Canadian context more broadly, including over water. They also discuss some of the opportunities for more areas of Indigenous jurisdiction, and how to take steps to imple...
In Part 1 of this two-part series, Aria Laskin speaks with Prof. Aimée Craft, Prof. Alan Hanna and Christina Gray about Indigenous laws and legal orders, and the interactions of those systems with Western legal traditions. The panelists introduce the concept of Indigenous laws and legal orders, and some of the key pillars of Anishinaabe law. They also discuss the distinction between Indigenous and Aboriginal law, and the historic treatment of Indigenous legal systems by the Canadian state.Aim...
In this episode, Kathleen Lickers, IPC, LSM interviews David Nahwegahbow, IPC, LSM, the 2021 recipient of The Advocates' Society's Award of Justice. In their fascinating and highly informative conversation, Kathleen and David discuss litigating Aboriginal rights issues from the inception of the Charter up to recent and ongoing litigation during the COVID-19 Pandemic. David C. Nahwegahbow, IPC, LSM David Nahwegahbow is the 2021 recipient of The Award of Justice, and a former director of ...
Excellence in Advocacy – An Interview with Sarit BatnerSarit Batner (McCarthy Tetrault LLP) is the 2020 recipient of the Douglas K. Laidlaw Medal for Excellence in Advocacy. In this episode of Friends Who Argue, Chloe Snider (Dentons Canada LLP) interviews Sarit Batner about what makes for excellent oral advocacy, whether oral advocacy is still important, and how Zoom may be changing advocacy. Sarit also shares her journey to becoming a distinguished oral advocate and key oral advocacy tips.S...
On this episode of Friends Who Argue, we’re sharing Part 2 of our behind-the-scenes look at the work of The Advocates’ Society’s Modern Advocacy Task Force and its final report, the Right to be Heard: The Future of Advocacy in Canada. Task Force member Alex Shelley interviews Advocates' Society president Deborah Palter and Advocates' Society Director Peter Osborne (who chaired the Task Force) about the findings of the report. We encourage you to listen to Part 1 first, for a discussion about ...
On this episode of Friend Who Argue, we’re sharing Part 1 of our behind-the-scenes look at the work of The Advocates’ Society’s (TAS) Modern Advocacy Task Force (MATF) and its final report, the Right to be Heard: The Future of Advocacy in Canada. Task Force member Alex Shelley interviews TAS president Deborah E. Palter and TAS Director and MATF Chair Peter Osborne about how the report was conceived, researched and drafted. Listen to Part 2 for a discussion about the findings of the report.Dow...
Andrea Bolieiro (Constitutional Law Branch, MAG Ontario) sits down with Daniel Baum of Langlois in Montréal and Ravi Amarnath of the Constitutional Law Branch, MAG Ontario, who have each worked in both public practice and private practice. Daniel started his career at the Department of Justice before moving to private practice, while Ravi started his career at Blakes in Toronto before moving to MAG. Learn about why they made the move, how their lifestyles and careers changed with the transiti...
In this episode of Friends Who Argue, moderator Dominique Hussey reunites panelists Atrisha Lewis, Breanna Needham and Erin Durant who originally spoke at The Advocates’ Society 2019 Fall Convention panel on “Connecting to Achieve Change”. The panel discusses: how connecting with their communities has impacted their lives – professionally and personally – since the 2019 panel; the practices they implement to connect authentically with others; practical tips for advocates i...
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